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signwriter studio

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Oscar Koller <[log in to unmask]>

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SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages

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Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:13:29 +0200

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Hi Jonathan,

trying to run your program, it gives me an error when trying to start: 
string was not recognized as valid datetime.

any idea?
i am running it on windows 7.

oscar

Am 01.10.2012 16:28, schrieb Jonathan Duncan:
>
> On 10/1/2012 7:02 AM, Oscar Koller wrote:
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> thanks for your answer.
>>
>> > Oscar, as you have an assistant annotating video tapes, trying to
>> > translate in your head to an expressive point of view may be driving
>> > you crazy.
>>
>> Yes, I have been thinking about that too. And it would be preferable
>> to do annotation from the receptive view point. However, I need the
>> transcriptions in an expressive view point in order to match all the
>> other entries in SignPuddle (as I use them to initialise my system).
>> The manual annotations are intended to serve as evaluation of the
>> initialized system, thus they need to match.
>>
>> If there was an automatic (mathematical) way of converting receptive
>> into expressive view points, then we could do the "easier" annotation.
>> But I learnt from Steve Slevinski, that this has not been implemented
>> and to me it doesn't seem trivial to implement it.
>>
>> Or does anybody think differently?
> Hi Oscar,
>      I am Jonathan Duncan the programmer of SignWriter Studio.
> Converting from expressive to receptive and vice versa is something I am
> interested in programming someday but other more important features of
> my program are taking precedence at this time.
>
>     I have to agree that it isn't very trivial to implement. Additional
> information about the relationships between the symbols in the sign
> would need to be entered or inferred to do it properly.
>
> Jonathan
>>
>> Regards, Oscar.
>>
>>
>> Am 28.09.2012 13:51, schrieb Charles Butler:
>>> Oscar, as you have an assistant annotating video tapes, trying to
>>> translate in your head to an expressive point of view may be driving you
>>> crazy. One project in Belo Horizonte is using receptive SignWriting
>>> specifically when annotating video tapes so that you see parallel
>>> movements, not mirror movements when you look at them side by side. You
>>> write what you see on the videotape, not reverse it to your own hands.
>>>
>>> What this means is that the videotaped person's left hand is on your
>>> right, and the videotaped person's right hand is on your left. You have
>>> to remember that you are writing another person's hands, not your own,
>>> so when you look in a dictionary like Delegs or any of the current
>>> SignPuddles, you will not find what you see on a videotape, but its
>>> expressive equivalent.
>>> Charles Butler
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> 240-764-5748
>>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 7:29 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: help with signwriting
>>>
>>> Oscar,
>>>
>>> Reply, in the first sign, you are using a "both hands" arrow when the
>>> hands are moving separately. If you are bringing the hands back toward
>>> yourself, you need two arrows toward yourself, put them next to each
>>> hand rather than in the middle. This is a common mistake as I'd be able
>>> to read it, but the hands are not moving in a common path. This is a
>>> common mistake, a single arrow is only used when both hands are actually
>>> together.
>>>
>>> In the second sign, your left hand is pointed downward, but you are
>>> using a right hand arrow moving twice. Use a left hand arrow or a right
>>> hand, not a mix. You could move your right hand in this fashion, but
>>> your hand would be twisted outward rather awkwardly, unlikely that this
>>> is what you mean.
>>> Charles Butler
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> 240-764-5748
>>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Oscar Koller <[log in to unmask]>
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 6:06 AM
>>> *Subject:* help with signwriting
>>>
>>> Hello everybody,
>>>
>>> I added following appended 4 entries to the German Sign Puddle. The
>>> editors noted in each case that the writing is not correct. Could
>>> anybody explain to me, what should be changed?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Oscar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
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> Tel USA: (347)875-8442
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>
> SignWriter Studio <http://www.signwriterstudio.com/>
>

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