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Re: AW: idea for SW book

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MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:12:21 +0100

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Hi Erika,
I also managed to see the Pear story - and I'm in a situation like Stefan,
where I immediately realized that this is going to be too long to
transcribe just now. It will have to wait till after September I'm afraid
for me to transcribe, as I have a deadline for my disseration this year.
What about trying to find a shorter picture story? Or else choose a part
of the pear story rather than the whole story?
warmest,
maria


> Hi Erika and sw-friends
>
>
>
>
>
> sorry for the delay with my comment.
>
>
>
> Looking at the frog story and looking at the video with the pear story ---
>
>
>
> ... I felt like � o no, that is much too � I will not be able to write the
> one or the other � there is so much work to be done in my class as you
> know.
>
>
>
>
> A quite different idea came to my mind.
>
>
>
> Do you know of these drawings for beginners in any new language  showing:
> 1)
> a knife on a table, 2) a boy writing at the blackboard, 3) a girl playing
> with her cat 4) a mother working in the flower garden, a) a bird singing
> on
> a tree ...
>
>
>
> What about to compare around the world how people would express this idea
> in
> their given Signlanguage and write this down in SignWriting.
>
>
>
> Do not know whether this kind of documents would provide that kind of
> information that are interesting
>
>
>
> Just look at the different signs in the various SL  for dog, mother,
> colors,
> .... and maybe this kind of short descriptions show common concepts of
> grammar or SL as well...
>
>
>
> Looking forward to your answer . and I think it would be good to take some
> time for group discussion, brainstorming before anybody starts to
> transcribe
> anything...
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Erika
> Hoffmann-Dilloway
> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Januar 2013 15:54
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Re: idea for SW book
>
>
>
> Thanks Maria!
>  Yes, I'm hoping I can get a publisher to reproduce all the texts in my
> book, so they'll be available that way. But I think they should be
> available
> outside the book too - through the SW website or the puddle or whatever,
> so
> that they can be useful to all of us and other researchers.
> I'll look for a more accessible pear stories link and post when I've found
> one :)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Erika,
> Hope you are fine, and happy new year. Great to hear about the next steps
> in your book. i can't open the link to the other story of the pear..any
> idea how to get that story? Also will the data be available to use by
> other researchers who would look at other aspects of it such as
> cross-linguistic
> comparisons? I really hope you manage to pool in a good number of texts.
> Will be very glad to help with the LSM written story for you.
> Thanks
> maria
>
>
>> Hi KJ - thanks for your feedback. The frog story is quite long but
>> you're
>> right that an excerpt might work!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "KJ Boal" <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do like the idea of cross-linguistic elicitation material like what
>>> you�ve suggested, though I think both those pieces are quite long � we
>>> might want to select an excerpt from one of them. (My vote is for
>>> something from Frog, Where Are You? � I like being able to look back
>>> and
>>> forth at the pictures to construct the story in my mind, since I don�t
>>> normally think in ASL. I know I�d find a picture story easier to work
>>> with than a video.)
>>> Great idea!
>>> KJ
>>>
>>> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Erika
>>> Hoffmann-Dilloway
>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:17 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: idea for SW book
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> I've been thinking over what material we should use a shared starting
>>> point for producing SW documents for the book. I don't want to us to
>>> translate from a text in a written (signed or spoken) language. So, I'm
>>> thinking the best approach might be to an elicitation material commonly
>>> used in cross-linguistic spoken and signed language research, such as
>>> Frog, Where Are You? (a picture story with no written text) or The Pear
>>> Story video.
>>> For those not familiar -
>>> The former can be seen in the appendix of this article:
>>> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf
>>> The latter can be viewed here: http://pearstories.org/
>>> I suggest one of these because they've been chosen precisely because
>>> they are thought to be relatively cross-culturally accessible - and we
>>> are a diverse group :)
>>> They are also thought to elicit interesting grammatical variation in
>>> languages.
>>> Finally, because there is so much research on sign languages that has
>>> used these materials for elicitation, the texts you produce can more
>>> easily become a part of a broad comparative cannon.
>>> Frog, Where Are You? will be more work for you all though, as
>>> translating it will certainly take much longer - and for that reason
>>> The
>>> Pear Stories might be a better choice.
>>> However, it would be really cool if another result of this project was
>>> to contribute to the written sign language literature available for
>>> d/Deaf children and other readers!
>>> Mercer Meyer has been very generous in lending this story to research,
>>> and I can look into what it would take to make it permissible to have
>>> multilingual versions of the text with the illustrations available on
>>> the SSW website. Having the translations be useful not only for
>>> research
>>> purposes but also for kids to read would certainly be in the SW spirit!
>>> What do you all think?
>>> Best,
>>> Erika
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> SignWriting List
>>> January 17, 2013
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Yes, I think for the purposes of this project it's fine for
>>> participants
>>> to create the document in whatever way they prefer. Many who use
>>> SignPuddles may want to use that option, but delegs, or even
>>> handwriting
>>> are fine with me. These different approaches themselves provide
>>> interesting data for my project!
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> Yes�I agree. Another software program is SignWriter Studio, developed
>>> in
>>> Honduras, and in Honduras they also have shown us some amazing
>>> handwritten documents using full stick figures - so the variety of
>>> software and writing styles is quite amazing�
>>>
>>> Take a look at the Honduran document attached�this looks like documents
>>> from Denmark too:
>>>
>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> Valerie Sutton
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>>> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
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>>> Oberlin College
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> --
> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> Oberlin College
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