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April 13, 2010

And thanks to Adam too ;-))

And thanks to Kevin at Valencia Community College - our List software is starting to work better - Kevin is working on it. It turns out that our old List was located on a server that was starting to burn out, and there was no choice but to move all five Lists to another server...so we are fortunate that our 5 Lists were saved...

The spam has been stopped as far as I can see, but our Archives are not available yet...They are in the process of being moved, but slowly we will have all our features back again -

Enjoy your day everyone!

Val ;-)

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On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:

> Hello Suzanne:
> thank you so much! Those are exactly the other versions I'd seen. Our
> director will be very happy with all this information.
> Thank you, Charles, Val, and Suzanne for making it happen.
> Best,
> Kim
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Suzanne pach <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have just added two other versions of Mother that I
>> think I have seen. They might be more 'mum-like' compared
>> to the letter M one, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> Suzanne
>>
>>> I don't know BSL, these two were the signs that were
>>> given, which is straight off the two-handed alphabet.  I
>>> am not fluent in BSL and don't have access to BSL tapes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Kimberley Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 11:21:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Seeking speaker of BSL
>>>
>>> Hi Charles:
>>> yep, that looks like the handshape I saw for the
>>> more-casual term
>>> "Mum" (as well as a variation where the same handshape
>>> taps your head
>>> at the right temple). Thank you for putting it into
>>> Puddle!
>>> Will "Mother" be getting into Puddle too? Or is that one
>>> up to me/others?
>>> -- Kim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Charles Butler
>>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> I just put Mum in, it's just there as Mum, not Mother
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Kimberley Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 10:04:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking speaker of BSL
>>>>
>>>> Hi Charles:
>>>> great!
>>>> I can see that "Dad" is now in the BSL Puddle, as well
>>>> as "Father".
>>>> But not (yet) Mother/Mum ...
>>>> Hey, what if I send a cellphone picture of my
>>>> handwritten SW of these
>>>> signs to Charles to transcribe ... and/or anyone else
>>>> who's game?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kim
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/10, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Val, Kim, and Suzanne, I have loaded the alternate
>>>>> meanings of the two
>>>>> alphabetic signs into the UK sign puddle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Butler
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Kimberley Shaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 9:48:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking speaker of BSL
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Val and all:
>>>>> tomorrow, I hope to grab time to SW these for the BSL
>>>>> puddle! Am
>>>>> typing from my phone at the moment.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Kim
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/10, SignWriting <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>> April 12, 2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suzanne and Kim -
>>>>>> Can you write the signs you are discussing in
>>>>>> SignWriting and post them
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the List? I have no idea how to sign or write them and
>>>>>> I would love to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> the signs written -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you, Suzanne! This does give me a good reason
>>>>>>> to learn the
>>>>>>> 2-handed alphabet, which is so different from the ASL
>>>>>>> (and LSF) one.
>>>>>>> However, since the director asked for translation of
>>>>>>> "mom" and "dad",
>>>>>>> rather than "mother" and "father", does BSL make this
>>>>>>> distinction? ASL
>>>>>>> does - although the difference between the more
>>>>>>> formal and more casual
>>>>>>> signs can be subtle to new signers.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Kim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/12/10, Suzanne pach <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Kim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mother and Father are usually signed as the letters
>>>>>>>> M and
>>>>>>>> F of the BSL-alphabet (which can be found in the BSL
>>>>>>>> SignPuddle). And have have seen Dad being signed as
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> letter D.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suzanne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Val!
>>>>>>>>> I'll forward these links to the director. It would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>>>> transcribing anything that's in a signed language I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> know ... but
>>>>>>>>> I'll give it a go, and will trust in the power if
>>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>> that if I get
>>>>>>>>> it very wrong, some BSL speaker will improve on it.
>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Kim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/10, SignWriting <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>>>>>> April 12, 2010
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Kim!
>>>>>>>>>> I am not a BSL signer, however, on the web, there
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> video dictionaries.
>>>>>>>>>> For example, if you visit this site:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.signstation.org/signstation_dictionary/showUserHomePage.do
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.signstation.org/dictionaries.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can find signs in BSL...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but they require that you register...but it is
>>>>>>>>>> free I
>>>>>>>>>> believe - I would
>>>>>>>>>> assume they have the signs you need, and then it
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be great if you would
>>>>>>>>>> write them in the BSL SignPuddle for us!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your project!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Kimberley Shaw
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>>>>>>>> the director of a play on my campus needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> know, and
>>>>>>>>>>> quite soon:
>>>>>>>>>>> how do you sign "mom" and "dad" in BSL? I see
>>>>>>>>>>> "father"
>>>>>>>>>>> in the BLS
>>>>>>>>>>> puddle, but not "mother", and don't know how much
>>>>>>>>>>> different from
>>>>>>>>>>> either of those the more casual mom/dad would be.
>>>>>>>>>>> If someone can add these to Puddle quickly, the
>>>>>>>>>>> actors
>>>>>>>>>>> and director
>>>>>>>>>>> would be very, very glad!
>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck with the email migration, a very big
>>>>>>>>>>> change, that ...
>>>>>>>>>>> Kim from Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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