Cherie, I really liked what you did with the spider, it makes perfect sense, 
it's just hard to put into a single sign in concept. With the transcription I 
did for Lucinda, I had to make a lot of choices like that.


From: Cherie Wren <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 8:01:02 AM
Subject: Re: Writing Head and Face in Punctuation

I put face/head movements in as signs in their own right, if the face happened 
before a sign started, I just wrote that face and placed it in before the sign.  
I also found it challenging to do ones where the face changed THRU a sign, like 
the attached


From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 11:46:23 AM
Subject: Writing Head and Face in  Punctuation

SignWriting List
October 7, 2010

Hello Charles!
Thank you for this message and queries below.

Regarding a grid, to line up your writing so one hand will be in the same place 
all the time for many signs in a row...the new SignPuddle 2.0 that Steve is 
working on will give us the ability to work on a grid, or we can turn the grid 
off that is good for lining things up...but I will talk to Steve about 
this idea of an Anchor point on the grid, so you know exactly where something 
should line up from a previous writing - that is a good idea!

Regarding how to write with the three Lanes...the three Lanes are not used in 
the way that you describe are correct that we cannot put a face over 
in the right Lane, while having other parts of the sign in the center or left 
lane...a complete sign must be in one of three lanes and cannot be split 
apart...that is the way I designed the three if the head movement or  
eyegaze is not a part of the sign, and is a separate sign, then it has to be 
treated as a separate sign...

Regarding placing facial expressions or head movement as a part of 
Punctuation...That can be done right now in can create it by 
placing the circle for the face and head in the center of a punctuation does have to be constructed, but I have done this several times 
myself for some documents...see attached example of a head movement that is a 
part of punctuation at the end of the sentence...

On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> In terms of directionality and lanes, I have a query.  Often in transcribing 
>tapes, the head nods or the eyes change direction at a particular point before 
>or after a sign.  It would be easier for me to treat them as punctuation than 
>try to put them in the same box.  In that case, I almost want to put them, 
>alone, in the left  lane, as punctuation, and be able to put the sign in the 
>middle lane parallel to the face change.  Same thing happens with hands that are 
>held through a sign.  If I try to put them in a particular place in the box, 
>they are moved to the right or the left rather than being pinned down to the 
>exact same space in each sign I create.  If it's a grid, I want it to be a grid 
>that I can actually say (at point 150,150) so that the hand that is held is 
>where it is like, holding a flat hand vertical and pointing all around it.  The 
>flat hand sits there and the pointer hand moves all over.  It's multiple signs 
>in one sense, or one sign in a writing since.
> Any ideas.