Hi Charles, Thank you very much for your answer. But, it is not easy to read quickly same symbols (D and E) and (C and F). Regards, André ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Butler To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Photo 3E and photo 3F ? Gagnon, I would say that D becomes E, and C becomes F. That has always been the case if you reverse the hands then the mirror image applies to the opposite rotation. Else we would have to have a thumb on the white side of the palm, which is never been the case. The thumb follows the back of the hand side. Charles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gagnon et Thibeault <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:10:32 AM Subject: Photo 3E and photo 3F ? Hi Val and everyone, See the attached right and left hands. You look at 2C, 2D, 3E and 3F. I describe a photo 2C. A palm of the left flat hand with a side thumb is facing to the left side wall. The side thumb is facing to the signer. For a photo 2D, a palm of the right flat hand with a side thumb is facing to the right side wall. The side thumbe is facing to the signer. Now, I ask you how do you write down for photos 3E and 3F? I explain a photo 3E. A palm of the left flat hand with a side thumb is facing to the right side wall. The side thumb is facing to a front of the wall. For a photo 3F, a palm of the right flat hand with a side thumb is facing to the left side wall. The side thumb is facing to a front of the wall. Best regards, André