Ah, when the message comes to me, or has been send to SignPuddle, I have not been able to open the file without getting a scramble and crunch. I can send it, but when I go to my own message I can't read it.


From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM
Subject: AW: SignMail

Hi Eda,  Charles, everybody ...


I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting email but find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do not send signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy and paste method?


We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to do that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in order to cope with that we simply start with a new first message.


We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this:


Signpuddle dictionary  - translate – update – signmail – add the correct information to the boxes and send. ;-)


It is part of our daily homework at school.


Stefan ;-)




Von: SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41
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Betreff: Re: SignMail


Sign Mail has a glitch.  SignMail tem errados. Voce nao faltar. 


I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. 


My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG and send it out by email in pieces.  It is slow, but it works.


From: Eda AMORim <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing

Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado muito os comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente, mais pela dificuldade no  inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível estarei participando, e se for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.

Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não consegui, será que estou fazendo algo errado?


Eda Amorim

Hello, Valerie, Charles, Erik, Stefan, and everybody's list, I have greatly appreciated the comments of you and learned a lot. I am following the discussions, but just excuse me for not being actively participating in most of the difficulty in English, but get over it. In whatever way possible will be attending, and if some help I am available.
Please try to send an email on the SW site, puddle sign, but could not, am I doing something wrong?
Eda Amorim

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800
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Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
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SignWriting List
January 11, 2011
Hello Charles -
Thank you for this message...
On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching style.  In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows).  I'm teaching handwriting as well as computer writing.
OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that people can construct them if they really want to use them. You
 can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding the dot too...see attached diagram:

As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the back diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the Forward-Diagonal and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and the slash with the dot were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough to warrant having it an official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just fine, with choosing either the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the Front Wall positions, and then if there is a movement that goes Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that makes it clear ...so I personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but for research of course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you feel it is necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it at the tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out, (slash at the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show all those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are working very hard, and a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with us, Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List : [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1