I understand – may be this is a problem of your web-service. I asked my
students to open a google.mail account. So there is no problem to read the
signmail messages directly column by column. 


Stefan ;-)



Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 16:45
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Ah, when the message comes to me, or has been send to SignPuddle, I have not
been able to open the file without getting a scramble and crunch. I can send
it, but when I go to my own message I can't read it.






From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM
Subject: AW: SignMail

Hi Eda,  Charles, everybody ... 


I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting email
but find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do not
send signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy and
paste method? 


We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to do
that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in order
to cope with that we simply start with a new first message. 


We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this: 


Signpuddle dictionary  - translate – update – signmail – add the correct
information to the boxes and send. ;-) 


It is part of our daily homework at school. 


Stefan ;-)





Von: SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41
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Sign Mail has a glitch.  SignMail tem errados. Voce nao faltar. 


I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has to
wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. 


My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG and send it out
by email in pieces.  It is slow, but it works.



From: Eda AMORim <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing

Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado
muito os comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as
discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente,
mais pela dificuldade no  inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível
estarei participando, e se for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.

Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não
consegui, será que estou fazendo algo errado? 


Eda Amorim

Hello, Valerie, Charles, Erik, Stefan, and everybody's list, I have greatly
appreciated the comments of you and learned a lot. I am following the
discussions, but just excuse me for not being actively participating in most
of the difficulty in English, but get over it. In whatever way possible will
be attending, and if some help I am available.
Please try to send an email on the SW site, puddle sign, but could not, am I
doing something wrong?
Eda Amorim

Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais
Especialista em Educação de Surdos

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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
To: [log in to unmask]

SignWriting List

January 11, 2011


Hello Charles -

Thank you for this message...


On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:


> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching
style.  In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for
palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows).  I'm teaching
handwriting as well as computer writing.


OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a
Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the
symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in
the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that
people can construct them if they really want to use them. You
 can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding
the dot too...see attached diagram:


As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the
back diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the
Forward-Diagonal and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and
the slash with the dot were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough
to warrant having it an official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just
fine, with choosing either the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the
Front Wall positions, and then if there is a movement that goes
Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that makes it clear I
personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but for research of
course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you feel it is
necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it at the
tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out, (slash at
the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle
above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it could be a thumb
projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see what I mean from my
lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show all those 45
degree variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm still
experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are
working very hard, and a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with
us, Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator
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