The problem I see with adding a new handshape, or "writing what I see" is that in indexing, the SW 2010 system, if indexed by handshape, would show my writing of what I see as the right hand on the clown face, if indexed by the system, would be listed as a left hand in the actual coding. 

If I were to do a one-to-one correspondence in a verbal system such as Sign Text, we'd get opposite hands connected to the same face and handshape, requiring individual editing, not a clear data merge. 

How can this be resolved? I'm thinking of this on a programming basis. What I write as a "right" hand is seen by the numbering of the coding as a "left" hand. 

Although it has been stated that each of us are free to use the system as we wish, the actual encoding of the SW 2010 presumes that one writing is preferred, and will be interpreted, if indexed by the system, as correct. We both can't write the same sign with opposite hands and have them interpreted by the same system as meaning the same thing.

Charles Butler

--- On Wed, 9/14/11, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: AW: Three-claw solution
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Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:37 PM

I'm trying to see a way that it is very clear for all handshapes for three claws going face forward.  This is claws, not bent fingers. No one seems to be objecting to completely bent fingers, it's these claw hands that seem to be giving people woogies.


--- On Wed, 9/14/11, Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: AW: Three-claw solution
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Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:12 PM

Hi Charles,

I do not understand your intention. There is no need for any additional symbol ... The three claw hand shape looks perfect to me.




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Here is a solution I came up with that parallels the circle spot for straight fingers pointing forward. I propose a square spot or box for curves going forward for the flat hand. The square is to show the nail of the hand. If the curves go left or right, they are drawn that way, but if the curves actually bend forward or back you'd show the nail. 


That way it is a true position, not a compromise position that can be confused.


I tried to create this in powerpoint but lost the picture.