On Roubarse, I'm looking for repeated performance in a cycle (minimum two) but the whole cycle repeated. The Dictionary illustration only shows one cheek, the demonstration I saw in Brazil and multiple performances on both sides, this was my compromise. 

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Subject: AW: AW: Query - Duplication arc
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Date: Thursday, November 10, 2011, 2:06 PM


Hi Valerie,  

thank you very much for your
answer – it is exactly what I had in mind.  


So it would be interesting
to see the original  “Roubarse – sign performance”


... and by the way isn’t it fantastic that we even can
distinguish between such neat  differences in the performance of a sign. I love
it. It is a kind of typical – almost provocative question from people who doubt
that if we want ... we can!! Of course we can. ... smile  






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2011 19:48

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November 10, 2011 


Hi Stefan and Charles - 


Oh. I see. I would read your writing, Stefan, as doing the right side,
then doing the left side then doing the right side then doing the left side. 


I would read Charles's writing as "doing two movements of the
tongue on the right side, and then doing two movements of the tongue on the
left side... 


I thought that was what Charles wanted -  


There really is no need for the Uneven Alternating Dynamics Symbol -
Stefan is correct about that - I know I wouldn't use it - but on the other hand
it is not wrong really if you do one side twice, and then the other side twice


Val ;-) 





On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote: 


Hi Charles, Valerie , 


just for fun and it is
interesting to discuss this sign – 


well I do not know what
you want to do with your tongue –but if I assume to move it from the right punched
out cheek to the opposite one several times – I  would prefer a different






I am interested in your opinion Valerie. Is it your
understanding that both spelling describe the same performance? I would not
think so. 





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November 10, 2011 


See Val's answer below... 


Charles wrote: 


  Does the duplication
  arc work for a non-manual sign?  


  This is Roubarse from the LIBRAS puddle. The tongue sweeps from one punched out
  cheek to the opposite one several times for this sign for "robbed"  


  Charles Butler

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Hello Charles and Everyone - 


Yes. It does. It means you do the right side first in your example,
because we are reading vertically top sign first...and then the left side
happens second in your diagram - Attached is information about the
dynamics symbol called "Un-Even Alternating Dynamics" ... 









Read about it on this web page: 


Movement Dynamics 



Val ;-) 

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