November 15, 2011
Hello Ingvild -
No worries. These are very detailed questions and the truth is, for everyday writing, usually the simplest solution is best for the reader. So your original writing is fine, as others have also stated.
It sounds like to me you are doing a little bit of traveling in the sign, so your original writing was perfect with tiny arrows to the side. My understanding is that if your two hands start with the palms to the tabletop, then the baby fingers stay on the table top, while the thumb rotates over and to the outside, so when you complete the movement the hands are farther apart from each other…the baby fingers remained on the table the whole time…if this is true then your original writing is perfect because there is some traveling happening...
I was just explaining why the Rotation Symbols were developed in the first place. When we have a traveling movement, the Rotation Symbols are usually not needed at all because you can write the beginning position and the ending position to show the change in palm facing and the change in handshape.
But if your two hands were on the table, and your arm twists in a rotation, and there is no traveling - imagine the palms of the hands touching the table close to each other side by side, and then when the rotation occurs the hands flip over, but they are still close to each other and side by side, with no space between them in the beginning and ending positions - zero traveling- then we could use a Rotation Symbol.
And even in the latter case, there are ways to avoid using a Rotation Symbol. Sometimes I write the first position on the top and the second position on the bottom to show this, avoiding the Rotation Symbols. The Rotation Symbols can be hard for people and there is no reason to add more complexity - See attached diagram for the sign for read a book in ASL:
On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:
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