Well Bill,


it is not only that .. There is another problem as well ...  symbols of the right hand show up as symbols for the left hand.




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You're right, in a way Stefan.  I didn't edit out the symbols enough to remove extra black portions.  I think those may be the white areas of symbols that get converted to black somehow.   They can be deleted easy enough in Inkscape but the person editing needs to know enough to do so.

Apparently, the extraction of the SVG from the PDF didn't handle the white areas correctly.


On 12/26/2011 6:04 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

Hi Bill,


I could open the attachment.

This is so funny – well there is a dramatic change within the symbols. Obviously this method does not work. ;-(




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Gesendet: Montag, 26. Dezember 2011 20:39
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Although ... still can't seem to post svg in the body of an email ...

Let's see if an attachment works ...


On 12/26/2011 1:32 PM, Bill Reese wrote:

Some people don't have Photoshop so I looked for a another way to work with Stepan's PDF files.

I opened his PDF file of the column in GSview, which runs Ghostscript.  I then chose Edit->convert to vector format->magick driver.  This driver uses GraphicsMagick or ImageMagick to do conversions.  I have GraphicsMagick installed on the Windows XP system I was doing this on.   When naming the output file, I gave it an ".svg" extension, which tells the driver what format I want to convert to.  After conversion, I opened the file in Inkscape and deleted a couple of black boxes obscuring the images and also a black curve in the arrow of the the fourth sign.   Then, like Stefan, I did a little different layout, grouping into signs first, then moving the signs around.

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On 12/25/2011 1:01 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

Hi Ingvild, Valerie, Jonathan, Steve and friends, ...


First of all ...



I spent some time to understand the postings about Ingvild’s problem with the quality of the graphics for publishing.

Finally I found a neat work around and I hope it works...


Once you have finished the graphics with  SignPuddle  Column-Maker  (SVG Refinement)  right click on the given column and look for  “Print actual frame”

I installed a program called  PDF24  - and voila I get a perfect PDF of this column as you can see in the attached Merry Christmas file ;-)

If you want to, you can open the PDF in Photoshop in order to continue your work. In this case a wrote the same text from left to right..


I feel so happy that this procedure is working. Wow – Adam – and Steve and Valerie your cooperation allowed us to print materials with excellent graphics quality. Congratulations!!

I do not know yet what the publisher for literature would say – but to me it looks good.

Hope all of you are doing fine!










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December 20, 2011


I am glad to know this too, Ingvild - To finally have publishers and printers stating that our graphics quality is excellent is a big step forward, because before SVG, we had bitmaps with staircased-circles, so this is great news they could use svg for publishing printed materials -


Not everyone knows how to use .svg - it is great on the web, but to use it inside book-layout-software is another story - I hope to learn how to do this myself later - 


what would really help, Steve, is to be able to print to PDF from ColumnMaker once the svg format is refreshed and ready to go - svg to pdf is needed - 


Val ;-)