Hi, Val!

Now it's clear to me the use of single arrow (neither white nor black), but an arrow for each hand. 

--- Em sáb, 25/2/12, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:

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Assunto: Re: both-hand arrow
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Data: Sábado, 25 de Fevereiro de 2012, 5:18

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February 24, 2012

They are not touching each other. They are not rubbing each other. They are a good distance from each other, and both are moving straight up and rubbing the chest in a straight line as they move up, staying on the chest - That is why it cannot be a General Arrow - because the two paths are not overlapping….they are not Grey - but one real separate black path and one real separate white path with no contact with each other - 

On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

If they are touching each other (since they are rubbing) why aren't the hands next to each other. 

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     Well, in an economical way, I believe that is so good ... 

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Data: Sexta-feira, 24 de Fevereiro de 2012, 19:50

Hi friends,
I would prefer this spelling –
Stefan ;-)

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February 24, 2012
Regarding this, let me show you a really beautiful writing in SignWriting from Brazil, by Yuri, who posted this on Facebook, and thank you, Yuri, for this posting - I was so happy to see it - I love seeing your SignWriting - I hope you don't mind that I point to one of your SignSpellings ;-)
Notice the arrow in the first sign -
In this case, for me, this is not a General Arrowhead - the two paths are not overlapping into GREY…it would be a right and left arrowhead - The right arrow is written over the right hand and the left arrow is written over the left hand - the Rub symbol could be written once between the two arrows… here is an example...
Val ;-)
On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

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February 24, 2012
Hello SignWriting List, Honza, Ingvild, Kimberley -
Thank you for the question and the responses… I realize that you may be using the General Arrowhead differently than the way I teach it…and all is ok. Part of the reason there has been confusion is that our older textbooks did not explain this well, in fact I believe the old textbook said "if they contact, it is General, and that is true, but it is not the whole story… so you can put the blame on my old textbooks ;-)
I have wanted to explain this better for a long time…It is a subject I had been planning to bring up here on the List, so thank you for the question Honza -
You see, the General Arrowhead means "Overlapping Paths". I always imagine Marcel Marceau, the famous classic mime artist, with his hands in black and white paint, painting imaginary paths of movement in space…
So here is how I teach it:
The Right, Left and General Arrowheads are representing "movement paths".
Imagine your right hand has black paint on it. Your left hand has white paint on it. There is a black path, and a white path showing movement in space.
Now imagine two hands moving down, side by side. They paint two separate paths in space…a black path and a white path.
But now imagine the two hands with one above the other one, but NOT contacting…just simply one above the other. When the two hands start to move down together, the one above paints on top of the path of the one on the bottom…the two paths blend…and when they blend…you can no longer see black or white - it becomes grey… and so the GREY path is the General Arrowhead…
They could also be contacting…but the black and white paths have to overlap, to become GREY. It does not require contact.
This is taught in the textbook "SignWriting Basics" from 2009, which is free for download on the web. Go to:
SignWriting Lessons Online
and download number 1 on that web page - called SignWriting Basics.
Here is the excerpt from that book, on page 34 in the book (number page in the book)… the PDF page is page 39 -
Val ;-)

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