Hello Valerie, Madson, Charles,...
Well this is really a
challenge to come up with a spelling that allows the non-informed readerto
understand the idea of the scribe –
First of all – this kind
of discussion is not a done in a second ... and there are definitely some very interesting
aspects included which can be the issue of a two hour lesson.
I agree that the
presentation of the fotos made it much easier to understand the intention.
I agree that voting for
the Overhead View it is easier to understand the location and path of the
movement ... on the other hand – now we focus the problem to deal with
several different point of views (top – down, front, over-head ... all at the
same time.
I took some time to
rewrite the sign as if my students should read it best.
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I add the nose to the
face ;-))
You see that I changed
the right – hand-shape –
Thumb and index fingers are slightly spread –
Seen
from top down this hand shape is far better to understand compared to the
front view ( which by the way is very confusing in this special case.. but
that is another story and will opten the can of worms again ! )
I use the
brush-information only once – the two arrows forward indicate the intention
(two times brushing the nose)
I add the final position.
I do this very often.
From my point of experience this kind of spelling allows a fast and easy
reading without too much guessing.
I like to compare and to
study styles of spellings and Madson ... thank you for this wonderful example
of a difficult to write sign!
All the best
Stefan
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List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Montag, 5. März 2012
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March 5, 2012
Hello Madson - Thank you for posting the photos below - that helped so
much!
That is a hard sign to write easily -
Just like Charles, when I read the way it was written in SignWriting
before, I did not realize we were dealing with both right and left hands. In a
case like this, I would suggest writing arm lines attached to the two hands in
the beginning…that way there is no doubt for the reader that we are starting
with two hands -
As you know, SignWriting originally started as a stick-figure writing
system, and in this case, adding arm lines will help the reader, whether you
write from the Front View or the Overhead View…
So try writing it again if you can -
Val ;-)
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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
O sinal
gripe suino, sim. Eu nao entende sinal ter com duas maos. Agora e claro.
The
sign is swine flu, yes. I did not understand the sign to have two hands. Now it
is clear.
The
spelling would be right hand, left hand, head from above, then brush twice,
pinch twice, and move twice. Shouldn't it have two brush marks?
Charles
Butler
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On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:
Hello
Charles!
This
signal is not flu. It is "swine flu" (Influenza 'A' - H1N1).
The
left hand ("S" - closed fist) touch or stand in front of the nose.
The
right hand ("pinch") causes the movement indicated in speeling
(writing).
See
photos.
Write
your hands in front of the face of the sign difficult to read, so we chose to
write in Vision Up.
Regards,
Madson
and Raquel Barreto
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