SignWriting List
April 9, 2012

Hello Charles and everyone -
Thank you for this question. This can get complex, especially since we normally do not write from the side view…Here is a diagram I just created trying to show the Surface Symbols that are parallel with the Front Wall. The little bubble on the symbol shows if the hand is in front or in back, and shows what surface is touching what surface - Unfortunately my time is limited today but I hope later today to be able to discuss this more - Here is my diagram in the Brazilian SignPuddle dictionary…which I can delete later… It shows the surface of the little finger of the right hand is touching the surface of the thumb of the left hand, which is in front of the right hand….Have a great day everyone - Val ;-)




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On Apr 5, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Charles Butler wrote:





Are these correct? I'm looking at looking from the side compared to looking forward.

 
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Subject: Re: Surface Symbols (previous thread: Position Symbols)

compar maos
Please look up "compar maos" on the Brazilian Sign Puddle and see if I got it right.
 


 
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Subject: Re: Surface Symbols (previous thread: Position Symbols)

Happy Easter to all!


Valerie, thank you for being so helpful and clarify our doubts. Thank you also for your gracious words about us.

Sorry for the delay in responding. These days we have been solving many things and time was short.

We now understand how to work the Surface Symbols in general, except when they use the symbols for "between". We can not think of any example in Sign Language observing the explanations of Stuart Thiessen.

The remaining patients are now clear. The four ways of writing that you posted are excellent and cleared our minds even more.

We talked and analyze each signal.
- The way 1 is was incorrect;
- For everyday writing four would use the way, in other circumstances or formality, the way we would use 2 or 3. 

We prefer the  way 3 because the symbols are distributed more clearly, allowing for faster reading.

In the way 2, the surface symbol along with star symbol touch and realize that the process of reading is a bit slower.

Again, thanks to everyone who contributed to our understanding.

Regards,

Madson and Raquel Barreto




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SignWriting List
April 3, 2012

Here are five ways to write this sign. Which do you prefer? And how do we read these signs? It will be good to discuss this.




1. The Surface Symbol tells us that one hand is in front of the other, but because it is placed near the Flat Hand, could it be that the Flat Hand is supposed to be in front of the Fist? It is a well written sign, but that is the one question I have with it - The placement of the Surface Symbol near the Flat Hand confused me at first…

2. In this one, the Contact Star is placed at the end of the arrow, showing that there is contact at the end of the movement. It also tells us that the contact at the end is "in front of" the hand it is contacting.

3. This one states the same, but the "in front of" is placed underneath the Fist…

4. And the last one is the way I would write it, if it is not incorrect. It depends on what you are doing - if it is for everyday use, then seeing it from the side, and also eliminating all Surface Symbols and Contact symbols is the way we write here. The Contact is assumed since the two hand symbols are written so close to each other. Our goal is usually simplicity for daily writing.

Thank you again for the great photos below…

So how do you feel about the placement of these symbols and which ones above do you prefer?

Val ;-)