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Hi Valerie, Adam, Madson, 

 

We discussed this question several times and as often I try to = understand
your point of view =96 I am sorry. 

I do not follow this =93rule=94 =96 but prefer to follow the visual =
impression of left and right hand

 

It is as you mentioned several times before ... =93 that SignWriting is = a
large and flexible writing system

 

So  - Madson  - I can understand what you had in mind with your  question

 

 

Good to know that there are only very few hand shapes that cause trouble
like this. And a good way to overcome the problem is to use the side view -
in that case everything should be fine for both point of views.=20

 

 

 

Stefan

 

 

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. April 2012 17:02
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Betreff: Re: Handshape 09-030 - Doubt in laterality

 

SignWriting List

April 18, 2012

 

Hi Madson and Adam -

Thank you for these messages. Yes, Adam is teaching the way we write here,
as I have taught him. I designed the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010
based on the way I teach SignWriting. Palm facing is flexible, and the Deaf
ASL signers who work with me, and I, write palm facing based on the original
way SignWriting was developed, based on the original stick figure drawing.
Most of the time, hands relate to the center of the body, and the white palm
facing shows that the palm is directed toward the body, but the majority of
fingers, that hold the meaning in handshapes, need to be directed in the
direction that holds meaning for the sign. That is why Adam explains below
that there is no "right or left", but instead, the direction of the extended
fingers "hold the meaning"…I am happy to explain more if you wish…

 

There are several theories on writing palm facing in SignWriting, and the
most important thing to know is that SignWriting is a large and flexible
writing system …

 

If you want to know more about the DAC palm facing, you can download this
book…

 

http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0618_SignWriting_Hand_Symbols_Man
ual_Sutton_Frost.pdf

 

It makes an attempt at explaining how the DAC and I write palm facing, but
we will be adding more explanations this summer - Adam is graduating with an
MA in linguistics from Gallaudet in a month, and then he is coming here to
work with me this summer…can't wait to see you, Adam, and congrats!

 

Thank you, Madson, for your excellent questions - I am excited that you like
SignPuddle 2.0 ;-)))

 

Val ;-)

 

 

On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Adam Frost wrote:





They are correct as followed by Val and other DAC writers. Here is the link
to the animated gif I made of this handshape.
http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group09/01-09-030-01.html

 

There is no real "right" and "left". This handshape follows a group of
handshapes that don't "rotate" like the others because there is some counter
to the "signs point to the center" and/or "finger direction is important"
concepts. For these handshapes, the writer choses the handshape orientation
that fits best with the target sign.

 

If you have a sign that you are trying to write with this handshape, we can
talk about it here and it will help you understand how this handshape works
better.

 

Adam

 

On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:





Hi Valerie and everyone,

 

Handshape 01-09-030 in ISWA order is correct?

It seems that the first position of each queue is changed laterality (left
and Right).

 

See the image with doubt.

 

 

Madson and Raquel Barreto