Hi Valerie, Adam,
Madson,
We discussed this
question several times and as often I try to = understand your point of view
=96 I am sorry.
I do not follow
this =93rule=94 =96 but prefer to follow the visual = impression of left and
right hand
It is as you
mentioned several times before ... =93 that SignWriting is = a large and
flexible writing system
So - Madson - I
can understand what you had in mind with your question
Good to know that
there are only very few hand shapes that cause trouble like this. And a good
way to overcome the problem is to use the side view - in that case everything
should be fine for both point of views.=20
Stefan
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April 18, 2012
Hi Madson and Adam -
Thank you for these messages. Yes, Adam is teaching the way we write
here, as I have taught him. I designed the International SignWriting Alphabet
2010 based on the way I teach SignWriting. Palm facing is flexible, and the
Deaf ASL signers who work with me, and I, write palm facing based on the
original way SignWriting was developed, based on the original stick figure
drawing. Most of the time, hands relate to the center of the body, and the
white palm facing shows that the palm is directed toward the body, but the
majority of fingers, that hold the meaning in handshapes, need to be directed
in the direction that holds meaning for the sign. That is why Adam explains
below that there is no "right or left", but instead, the direction of
the extended fingers "hold the meaning"…I am happy to explain more if
you wish…
There are several theories on writing palm facing in SignWriting, and
the most important thing to know is that SignWriting is a large and flexible
writing system …
If you want to know more about the DAC palm facing, you can download
this book…
It makes an attempt at explaining how the DAC and I write palm facing,
but we will be adding more explanations this summer - Adam is graduating with
an MA in linguistics from Gallaudet in a month, and then he is coming here to
work with me this summer…can't wait to see you, Adam, and congrats!
Thank you, Madson, for your excellent questions - I am excited that you
like SignPuddle 2.0 ;-)))
Val ;-)
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
They are correct as followed by Val and other DAC writers. Here is the
link to the animated gif I made of this handshape. http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group09/01-09-030-01.html
There is no real "right" and "left". This handshape
follows a group of handshapes that don't "rotate" like the others
because there is some counter to the "signs point to the center"
and/or "finger direction is important" concepts. For these
handshapes, the writer choses the handshape orientation that fits best with the
target sign.
If you have a sign that you are trying to write with this handshape, we
can talk about it here and it will help you understand how this handshape works
better.
Adam
On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:
Hi
Valerie and everyone,
Handshape
01-09-030 in ISWA order is correct?
It
seems that the first position of each queue is changed laterality (left and
Right).
See the
image with doubt.
Madson
and Raquel Barreto
