Hi Valerie, Adam, Madson,


We discussed this question several times and as often I try to = understand your point of view =96 I am sorry.

I do not follow this =93rule=94 =96 but prefer to follow the visual = impression of left and right hand


It is as you mentioned several times before ... =93 that SignWriting is = a large and flexible writing system


So  - Madson  - I can understand what you had in mind with your  question



Good to know that there are only very few hand shapes that cause trouble like this. And a good way to overcome the problem is to use the side view -  in that case everything should be fine for both point of views.=20







Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
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April 18, 2012


Hi Madson and Adam -

Thank you for these messages. Yes, Adam is teaching the way we write here, as I have taught him. I designed the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010 based on the way I teach SignWriting. Palm facing is flexible, and the Deaf ASL signers who work with me, and I, write palm facing based on the original way SignWriting was developed, based on the original stick figure drawing. Most of the time, hands relate to the center of the body, and the white palm facing shows that the palm is directed toward the body, but the majority of fingers, that hold the meaning in handshapes, need to be directed in the direction that holds meaning for the sign. That is why Adam explains below that there is no "right or left", but instead, the direction of the extended fingers "hold the meaning"…I am happy to explain more if you wish…


There are several theories on writing palm facing in SignWriting, and the most important thing to know is that SignWriting is a large and flexible writing system …


If you want to know more about the DAC palm facing, you can download this book…




It makes an attempt at explaining how the DAC and I write palm facing, but we will be adding more explanations this summer - Adam is graduating with an MA in linguistics from Gallaudet in a month, and then he is coming here to work with me this summer…can't wait to see you, Adam, and congrats!


Thank you, Madson, for your excellent questions - I am excited that you like SignPuddle 2.0 ;-)))


Val ;-)



On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

They are correct as followed by Val and other DAC writers. Here is the link to the animated gif I made of this handshape. http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group09/01-09-030-01.html


There is no real "right" and "left". This handshape follows a group of handshapes that don't "rotate" like the others because there is some counter to the "signs point to the center" and/or "finger direction is important" concepts. For these handshapes, the writer choses the handshape orientation that fits best with the target sign.


If you have a sign that you are trying to write with this handshape, we can talk about it here and it will help you understand how this handshape works better.




On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:

Hi Valerie and everyone,


Handshape 01-09-030 in ISWA order is correct?

It seems that the first position of each queue is changed laterality (left and Right).


See the image with doubt.



Madson and Raquel Barreto