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One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone know if there's an accepted abbreviation for Egyptian Sign Language? EgSL, perhaps? (Analogous to Arabic Sign Language being referred to as ArSL.) If there is a list of accepted names and abbreviations you could refer us to, that would be awesome. Many thanks! -Ryan On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Fan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hello Val! > Thanks for referring me to the research and the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle. > I'm sure it will be an interesting comparison in terms of signs and SW > conventions. I'll try to add an English, Modern Standard Arabic (MSA), and > Egyptian Arabic gloss for each sign, if available. > > An important thing to keep in mind about Arabic: "Arabic" is an umbrella > term for many different stratified and overlapping spoken languages. (This > is an oversimplification; we can discuss in more depth later.) Many native > speakers are not able to actively distinguish features of their spoken > variety and other varieties, including the MSA used in literature. The > same appears to hold true for perceptions of the distinction between > Egyptian Sign and what I've seen in Egypt referred to as simply "Arabic > Sign." Hopefully, some of the data collection I'm trying to do will shed > more light on this subject from a Sign perspective. > > Thanks again, and keep on dancing! > -Ryan > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> SignWriting List >> April 18, 2012 >> >> Hello Ryan! >> Thank you for your correspondence today, and for adding signs to the >> Egyptian SignPuddle Dictionary, which has been close to empty for several >> years, waiting for someone to take interest in writing Egyptian Sign >> Language… >> >> >> Egyptian SignPuddle >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84 >> >> >> So it was only natural for me, when I saw your message and some of the >> signs you have written in SignPuddle, that I danced around my office - >> because I did! Good news is a good reason to dance…smile... >> >> We will benefit from learning about Arabic, linguistics, Egypt and >> Egyptian Sign Language, so feel free to inform us… It sounds like you are >> doing interesting research and we look forward to learning more about it - >> >> Have you read some of Dr. Mohamed AbuShaira's research on SignWriting in >> Deaf Education in Jordan and Saudi Arabia? It is in Arabic... >> >> http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/ >> >> Have you seen the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle in Arabic? >> >> Saudi Arabian SignPuddle >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91 >> >> Several countries will benefit from an Arabic User Interface in >> SignPuddle, so thank you for offering to help with that - >> >> Val ;-) >> >> --------- >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Ryan Fan wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> My name's Ryan, and I'm trying to start work on the Egyptian SignPuddle, >> slowly transferring signs from my notebook onto the SignPuddle database. >> In >> truth, I'm rather new to SignWriting, and how my studies have led me to >> this >> juncture is a bit of a long story. >> >> In short, I have limited experience with ASL from grade school hymns and >> a >> high school ASL club many years ago. My undergraduate work focused on >> mathematics and linguistics, as well as Arabic. I've been living in >> Egypt for the >> past couple years, studying Arabic while searching for a place to learn >> Egyptian >> Sign Language. The bureaucracy here is something of a tortuous and >> torturous >> labyrinth, especially for foreigners, and I only managed to start >> attending >> weekly Egyptian Sign classes this Spring, mere months before my departure >> to >> start a graduate program in Arabic Linguistics back in the US. I hope to >> return >> relatively frequently (in intervals of ~6-12 months) for documentation >> and >> research on both spoken Egyptian Arabic and Egyptian Sign. >> >> Reading over Val's warm/dancing welcome to my inquiry and seeing some of >> the >> archived emails, I'm grateful to be part of such a supportive and >> inquisitive >> community! Please feel free to contact me via email should you feel the >> strong >> and sudden urge to discuss anything pertaining to Arabic, linguistics, >> Egypt, >> signing, any combination of those, or anything else, really. 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