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Thanks for the links, Jonathan. However, Ethnologue uses a specialized triliteral code that doesn't reflect common usage (e.g. ase for ASL), while Wikipedia lists and links to a lot of sign languages but doesn't have any information on Egyptian Sign. (I'm hoping to help set up a page for Egyptian Sign soon.) I'll keep searching, but until I hear of anything different, I think I'll use EgSL as a stand-in, to keep it from being confused with English as a Second Language. Thanks again! -Ryan On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Ryan, > Welcome to the list. > Here are two lists of world sign languages. > > http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=23-16 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages > > Regards, > Jonathan > > > On 4/19/2012 5:30 AM, Ryan Fan wrote: > > One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone know if there's an accepted > abbreviation for Egyptian Sign Language? EgSL, perhaps? (Analogous to > Arabic Sign Language being referred to as ArSL.) If there is a list of > accepted names and abbreviations you could refer us to, that would be > awesome. > Many thanks! > -Ryan > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Fan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hello Val! >> Thanks for referring me to the research and the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle. >> I'm sure it will be an interesting comparison in terms of signs and SW >> conventions. I'll try to add an English, Modern Standard Arabic (MSA), and >> Egyptian Arabic gloss for each sign, if available. >> >> An important thing to keep in mind about Arabic: "Arabic" is an >> umbrella term for many different stratified and overlapping spoken >> languages. (This is an oversimplification; we can discuss in more depth >> later.) Many native speakers are not able to actively distinguish features >> of their spoken variety and other varieties, including the MSA used in >> literature. The same appears to hold true for perceptions of the >> distinction between Egyptian Sign and what I've seen in Egypt referred to >> as simply "Arabic Sign." Hopefully, some of the data collection I'm trying >> to do will shed more light on this subject from a Sign perspective. >> >> Thanks again, and keep on dancing! >> -Ryan >> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >>> SignWriting List >>> April 18, 2012 >>> >>> Hello Ryan! >>> Thank you for your correspondence today, and for adding signs to the >>> Egyptian SignPuddle Dictionary, which has been close to empty for several >>> years, waiting for someone to take interest in writing Egyptian Sign >>> Language… >>> >>> >>> Egyptian SignPuddle >>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84 >>> >>> >>> So it was only natural for me, when I saw your message and some of the >>> signs you have written in SignPuddle, that I danced around my office - >>> because I did! Good news is a good reason to dance…smile... >>> >>> We will benefit from learning about Arabic, linguistics, Egypt and >>> Egyptian Sign Language, so feel free to inform us… It sounds like you are >>> doing interesting research and we look forward to learning more about it - >>> >>> Have you read some of Dr. Mohamed AbuShaira's research on SignWriting >>> in Deaf Education in Jordan and Saudi Arabia? It is in Arabic... >>> >>> http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/ >>> >>> Have you seen the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle in Arabic? >>> >>> Saudi Arabian SignPuddle >>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91 >>> >>> Several countries will benefit from an Arabic User Interface in >>> SignPuddle, so thank you for offering to help with that - >>> >>> Val ;-) >>> >>> --------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Ryan Fan wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> My name's Ryan, and I'm trying to start work on the Egyptian SignPuddle, >>> slowly transferring signs from my notebook onto the SignPuddle database. >>> In >>> truth, I'm rather new to SignWriting, and how my studies have led me to >>> this >>> juncture is a bit of a long story. >>> >>> In short, I have limited experience with ASL from grade school hymns and >>> a >>> high school ASL club many years ago. My undergraduate work focused on >>> mathematics and linguistics, as well as Arabic. I've been living in >>> Egypt for the >>> past couple years, studying Arabic while searching for a place to learn >>> Egyptian >>> Sign Language. The bureaucracy here is something of a tortuous and >>> torturous >>> labyrinth, especially for foreigners, and I only managed to start >>> attending >>> weekly Egyptian Sign classes this Spring, mere months before my >>> departure to >>> start a graduate program in Arabic Linguistics back in the US. I hope >>> to return >>> relatively frequently (in intervals of ~6-12 months) for documentation >>> and >>> research on both spoken Egyptian Arabic and Egyptian Sign. >>> >>> Reading over Val's warm/dancing welcome to my inquiry and seeing some of >>> the >>> archived emails, I'm grateful to be part of such a supportive and >>> inquisitive >>> community! Please feel free to contact me via email should you feel the >>> strong >>> and sudden urge to discuss anything pertaining to Arabic, linguistics, >>> Egypt, >>> signing, any combination of those, or anything else, really. 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