Thanks for the advice, Val!  I was perhaps being too much of a perfectionist looking for a hand symbol where the middle finger didn't completely wrap around the index, but I'm going to suppose the partial crossover and full crossover are two manifestations of the same underlying phoneme for Egyptian Sign until proven otherwise.  I'll leave a note on this sign entry.  Thanks again!  

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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May 3, 2012

Hello Ryan and everyone -
Thank you for these photos. I am happy to tell you that we do have this hand symbol in the ISWA 2010, which is in SignPuddle Online.

You can find the symbol, with a small photo, in the ISWA 2010 Reference Manual online:

Scroll down on this web page:

There will always be slight differences in the way people's hands look, when doing this position, but this symbol is good enough to represent what you have photographed.

To find this hand symbol in SignPuddle Online, think of it this way…

1. What are the two action fingers? They are the Index Finger and the Middle Finger. That is Group 2 in the ISWA 2010 - Index & MIddle Fingers.

2. In SignPuddle, when you are creating a sign, click on Group 2.

3. Then find the symbol towards the end of Group 2. Here is an attached diagram to help:

Val ;-)


On May 3, 2012, at 7:03 AM, Ryan Fan wrote:

> Dear all,
> Sorry for the delay!  After much consultation with older and younger Egyptian signers, and their signs for Sunday/Christian fall somewhere between the two attached photos.  The straight or slightly bent middle finger is placed above the index finger.  The remaining fingers are usually in a closed fist.  I'm told that what the thumb is doing is irrelevant, as long as it's not in the way of the index and middle fingers.