Hi Rafaela, Valerie, Adam, ... 


Well in order to „understand“ what the reader is supposed to do,  it is
better to minimize the guessing game. 


- smile - 


As  I understood Rafaela – she asked for a way to write a sign that shows a
mouth as if saying (without voice) “brumm”  or “papa”


This is what we call “Mundbilder” within SignWriting – This kind of
speechwriting is already pretty good defined and it can be adopted to
various “spoken languages” if you focus on the symbols that are already


In this case it is no problem to write four head circles and the additional


In the end you show up with a written sign that is exact and easy to
understand, to perform, to read ... 


Of course there are other signs in sign languages that ask for
mouth-movements and facial expressions that are not associated with spoken
language but with mimic. 








Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Rafaela Silva
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 04:25
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: Re: AW: Mouth symbols


Hello Stefan,


thanks for respondig.


By your answer I gather that you use 4 differents faces do represent one lip
movement, that's right? What I want is just one so I can aply to a sign.




> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:07:18 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: AW: Mouth symbols
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Hi Rafaela, 
> you probably know that in Germany we use a lot of "Mundbilder" 
> I defined a set of symbols to represent these lip and tongue movements
> go along with what you can see if a person is speaking (even without
> I just wrote your two signs
> 1) it is a short "Brumm" a long "U" could be interpreted differently but
> general I do not distinguish between long and short vorcals if it is not
> the purpose of articulation.
> 2) Papa - is easy to understand. 
> Have a great day 
> Stefan
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Rafaela Silva
> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Juni 2012 23:41
> An: [log in to unmask]
> Betreff: Mouth symbols
> Hello everyone. Hope everthing is well.
> I have 2 doubts/questions and I hope someone can help me!
> 1 - SW have a facial symbol for the expression "bruumm" that we do with
> mouth, for example, when we want to imitate or explain the sound of a 
> motorcycle?
> 2 - SW have a symbol that represents the mouth opening and closing 
> consecutively? (As babies do whe they are starting to talk, like
> "papapapapa")
> Thank you.
> Rafaela