Hi Adam and friends,
well it should be not a big problem to imagine a person „pronouncing“ a word
that starts with the letter „m“ -
If the person opens the mouth in order to go forward with an open “A” ....
Obviously my students have no problem whatsoever to associate these defined
SW-facial-mouth-symbols with a typical mouthmovemen that goes along with
pronouncing a word – without a need to hear any sound.
So what I did was to define a given set of symbols that would allow you to
lipread ... in order to minimize the guessing game . ..
In the beginning of my time as a SignWriting scribe (years ago..;-)) ) I
almost came to the point to give up. My students and me had to accept that
we were not able to understand/read/translate our SW-DOS-documents a few
days later after we had written them. And it took some time to understand
the reason. At that time we have had almost emotional and heated debates
about this issue. Is it political correct to accept that some signers –
include Mundbilder – while they perform SL- ???
I am not interested in this discussion. I looked at hundreds of SL-videos
and looked very carefully waht deaf signers do when they sign.
And of course you have simply to learn some of the meanings of these defined
Mundbild-symbols. But once you find your way to understand they are a big
support.
I am happy to see that Fernando Capovilla took advantage out of this idea...
O capítulo 26 intitula-se Recursos metalinguísticos na educação bilíngue
Libras-Português do surdo: Como ler-escrever a articulação visível dos
sinais de
Libras via SignWriting e a das palavras faladas do Português via
SpeechWriting
promovendo leitura orofacial e leitura-escrita alfabéticas, e é de autoria
de
Fernando C. Capovilla, Valerie Sutton, e Stefan Wöhrmann. O capítulo
apresenta
os dois sistemas de escrita: o de sinais SignWriting (Capovilla & Sutton,
2009) e o
da fala SpeechWriting (Capovilla, Sutton, & Wöhmann, 2012). Classifica esses
sistemas como tipos de alfabeto de traços não arbitrários (featural
alphabet, cf.
Geoffrey Sampson, 1990), ou seja, alfabeto em que as formas das letras não
são
arbitrárias, mas representam traços fonológicos dos fonemas que representam.
Argumenta que SignWriting e SpeechWriting são semelhantes ao Alfabeto
Fonético
Internacional (AFI): Assim como o AFI permite tra...
http://www.ip.usp.br/lance/Livros/transtornos2/Apres_TRANSTORNOS_260_fim_2.p
df
All best
Stefan
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Dezember 2012 17:46
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Betreff: Re: Facial expressions
The problem is getting photos to match the feel of what the symbols mean. It
hard to get someone who can do the expressions well. Maybe if we could make
a animation or do a drawing would be best, but just haven't gotten to it at
this time.
Adam
On Dec 5, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "André Thibeault" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Honza,
I already asked your same question before. I didn't get an
answer.
Photos for facial expressions and Mundbilder (mouthing) systems
are good for Deafian people.
Best regards,
André
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Date : Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:01:43 +0100
À : <[log in to unmask]>
Objet : Re: Facial expressions
Hi Valerie and Stefan,
Stefan - I use your "Mundbilder" (but only for part of words). We are not
sure if it is necessary or not to write whole words, so we write just few
letters of each word.
Thank you Val, yes I know there are many explanations, but it is not exact.
Best are pictures. I found some in Cross-linguistic Guide, but there are
only some - especially there are only 3-4 eyebrow patters.
thanks
Honza
On 4 December 2012 23:49, Stefan Wöhrmann
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Valerie and friends,
In addition to that we discussed again and again my “Mundbilder” system –
smile
You find it in my “Handbuch zur GebärdenSchrift”
It is helpful to describe/write down that part of information coming from
the lips of a signer if it is not meant as “mouth gesture” but associated
with given words in the spoken language of that country. ...
From:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/post?postID=eX1fyiHOzzKQUuvcaUzyQV0Gu4y7
gag6j-QOLT_m0Gpfy827Xzn5oTcAGRKq4K3pyUI_zkjmHs92tx_3PsYP-XkH> SignWriting
List
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 22:34:20
To:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sw-l/post?postID=lbZFCR3OQRINuKb31IOCm18gmqsK
M-7sodN4LiN3PDWkwYJXa1kgxb6biu-ZvKk3yeDvLpJ7OmI08bjXnDEUh8EHGQ> SW-L@...
Subject: Mouthings- question for Stefan
All best
Stefan
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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2012 21:38
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Betreff: Re: Facial expressions
SignWriting List
December 4, 2012
Find information on Facial Expression symbols in SignWriting….Go to the
International SignWriting Alphabet 2010 Reference web page:
ISWA 2010 HTML Reference Guide
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/
scroll down and click on:
Category 4: Head & Faces
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html
scroll down and click on:
SymbolGroup 22: Head
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/2ff_sg.html
SymbolGroup 23: Brow Eyes Eyegaze
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/30a_sg.html
SymbolGroup 24: Cheeks Ears Nose Breath
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/32a_sg.html
SymbolGroup 25: Mouth Lips
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/33b_sg.html
SymbolGroup 26: Tongue Teeth Chin Neck
http://www.signbank.org/iswa/359_sg.html
Every symbol is listed with names in English beside each symbol.
These symbols are used in several software programs, including SignPuddle
(www.SignPuddle.org) and SignWriter Studio (www.SignWriterStudio.com).
Val ;-)
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