Dali, I agree with you. I follow the Parkhurst rule which follows the thumb for all movements so many of the "key" handshapes fall over into mirror images. I continue to write that way as it was how I was taught more than 20 years ago. You are not "wrong". You are following a trend that has a well-established history. Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. --- On Tue, 1/1/13, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: AW: White color - Key handshape is not practical To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2013, 8:20 PM SignWriting ListJanuary 1, 2012 We are not asking you to re-write anything, Dali - I do not expect you to re-write your whole SignPuddle at all - there are different ways to use the hand symbols, so please do not worry - Go right ahead and write the hand symbols as you feel works best for you - It was important to understand the Surface Symbols correctly because that is an actual error in the book, but the hand symbols are used in different ways around the world - Val ;-) ------ On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote: Hi Dali balti, can you add sp,e examples to explain what you are talkin about? All the best Stefan Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Dali balti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Januar 2013 01:11 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: White color - Key handshape is not practical Hello dear friends and happy new year!!! Everyone of us knows the "key handshape"!!! in the old manuals, when this key is written with white color I find it very practical to write the thumb and the index in an opposite direction to the black, it is very obvious as you can see it with your own eyes!!!! But, in the new book made by dear Valerie and brother Adam Frost, I noticed that whatever the color was, the fingers have always the same direction and orientation!!!! I am puzzled, and I have to correct my whole signpuddle!!!! I found myself obliged to "imagine" it black if I wanted to write it white!!!! please can you consider this case!!! it is not practical at all!!!! Sorry to tell you that, but it is very puzzling, and I think that many might sense the same trouble!!!!