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Hi Erika if you use the "Pear Stories", in the PhD thesis there are 5 long stories (3 written, 2 transcribed) in LIS... it was the basis of my corpus :-) Claudia 2013/1/19 Erika <[log in to unmask]> > Yes, I agree that we should leave time to think and discuss before we > start. We might be able to cull a few of the kind of images that would > elicit one or two sentences (such as Stefan suggests) for the Frog book... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Erika and sw-friends**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > sorry for the delay with my comment. **** > > ** ** > > Looking at the frog story and looking at the video with the pear story --- > **** > > ** ** > > ... I felt like – o no, that is much too – I will not be able to write the > one or the other – there is so much work to be done in my class as you > know. **** > > ** ** > > A quite different idea came to my mind. **** > > ** ** > > Do you know of these drawings for beginners in any new language showing: > 1) a knife on a table, 2) a boy writing at the blackboard, 3) a girl > playing with her cat 4) a mother working in the flower garden, a) a bird > singing on a tree ... **** > > ** ** > > What about to compare around the world how people would express this idea > in their given Signlanguage and write this down in SignWriting. **** > > ** ** > > Do not know whether this kind of documents would provide that kind of > information that are interesting**** > > ** ** > > Just look at the different signs in the various SL for dog, mother, > colors, .... and maybe this kind of short descriptions show common concepts > of grammar or SL as well... **** > > ** ** > > Looking forward to your answer . and I think it would be good to take some > time for group discussion, brainstorming before anybody starts to > transcribe anything... **** > > ** ** > > Best **** > > ** ** > > Stefan **** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [ > mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>EGE.EDU] *Im > Auftrag von *Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > *Gesendet:* Samstag, 19. Januar 2013 15:54 > *An:* [log in to unmask] > *Betreff:* Re: idea for SW book**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Maria! > Yes, I'm hoping I can get a publisher to reproduce all the texts in my > book, so they'll be available that way. But I think they should be > available outside the book too - through the SW website or the puddle or > whatever, so that they can be useful to all of us and other researchers. > I'll look for a more accessible pear stories link and post when I've found > one :) > > > **** > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > Hi Erika, > Hope you are fine, and happy new year. Great to hear about the next steps > in your book. i can't open the link to the other story of the pear..any > idea how to get that story? Also will the data be available to use by > other researchers who would look at other aspects of it such as > cross-linguistic > comparisons? I really hope you manage to pool in a good number of texts. > Will be very glad to help with the LSM written story for you. > Thanks > maria**** > > > > Hi KJ - thanks for your feedback. The frog story is quite long but you're > > right that an excerpt might work! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "KJ Boal" <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > >> I do like the idea of cross-linguistic elicitation material like what > >> you’ve suggested, though I think both those pieces are quite long – we > >> might want to select an excerpt from one of them. (My vote is for > >> something from Frog, Where Are You? – I like being able to look back and > >> forth at the pictures to construct the story in my mind, since I don’t > >> normally think in ASL. I know I’d find a picture story easier to work > >> with than a video.) > >> Great idea! > >> KJ > >> > >> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Erika > >> Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:17 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: idea for SW book > >> > >> Hi all! > >> I've been thinking over what material we should use a shared starting > >> point for producing SW documents for the book. I don't want to us to > >> translate from a text in a written (signed or spoken) language. So, I'm > >> thinking the best approach might be to an elicitation material commonly > >> used in cross-linguistic spoken and signed language research, such as > >> Frog, Where Are You? (a picture story with no written text) or The Pear > >> Story video. > >> For those not familiar - > >> The former can be seen in the appendix of this article: > >> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf > >> The latter can be viewed here: http://pearstories.org/ > >> I suggest one of these because they've been chosen precisely because > >> they are thought to be relatively cross-culturally accessible - and we > >> are a diverse group :) > >> They are also thought to elicit interesting grammatical variation in > >> languages. > >> Finally, because there is so much research on sign languages that has > >> used these materials for elicitation, the texts you produce can more > >> easily become a part of a broad comparative cannon. > >> Frog, Where Are You? will be more work for you all though, as > >> translating it will certainly take much longer - and for that reason The > >> Pear Stories might be a better choice. > >> However, it would be really cool if another result of this project was > >> to contribute to the written sign language literature available for > >> d/Deaf children and other readers! > >> Mercer Meyer has been very generous in lending this story to research, > >> and I can look into what it would take to make it permissible to have > >> multilingual versions of the text with the illustrations available on > >> the SSW website. Having the translations be useful not only for research > >> purposes but also for kids to read would certainly be in the SW spirit! > >> What do you all think? > >> Best, > >> Erika > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> SignWriting List > >> January 17, 2013 > >> > >> On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Yes, I think for the purposes of this project it's fine for participants > >> to create the document in whatever way they prefer. Many who use > >> SignPuddles may want to use that option, but delegs, or even handwriting > >> are fine with me. These different approaches themselves provide > >> interesting data for my project! > >> > >> --------- > >> > >> Yes…I agree. Another software program is SignWriter Studio, developed in > >> Honduras, and in Honduras they also have shown us some amazing > >> handwritten documents using full stick figures - so the variety of > >> software and writing styles is quite amazing… > >> > >> Take a look at the Honduran document attached…this looks like documents > >> from Denmark too: > >> > >> <image001.jpg> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Val ;-) > >> > >> Valerie Sutton > >> SignWriting List moderator > >> [log in to unmask] > >> > >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > >> [log in to unmask] > >> > >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > >> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > >> > >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > >> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> Valerie Sutton > >> [log in to unmask] > >> > >> SignWriting > >> Read & Write Sign Languages > >> http://www.SignWriting.org > >> > >> SignPuddle Online > >> Write SignWriting in the Clouds! > >> Documents, Dictionaries, SignMail > >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle > >> > >> ASL Wikipedia Project > >> Articles in American Sign Language > >> http://ase.wikipedia.wmflabs.org > >> > >> SignWriting List > >> Technical Support: Ask questions... > >> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist > >> > >> SignWriting Literature Project > >> Writing Literature in Sign Languages > >> http://www.SignWriting.org/literature > >> > >> SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects > >> Encyclopedias in Sign Languages > >> http://www.SignWriting.org/encyclopedia > >> > >> SignWriting Sponsors Forum > >> Help Educational Non-Profit > >> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/sponsors > >> > >> SignWriting Shop > >> Books, DVDs, Lessons, Services > >> http://www.SignWriting.org/shop > >> > >> Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting > >> Center For Sutton Movement Writing > >> a US educational nonprofit organization > >> PO Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA > >> Tel: 858-456-0098 Skype: valeriesutton > >> > >> SignWriting on Twitter > >> http://twitter.com/signwriting > >> http://twitter.com/ASLWikipedia > >> > >> SignWriting on YouTube > >> http://youtube.com/signwriting > >> > >> SignWriting on Facebook > >> http://facebook.com/SignWriting > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology > >> Oberlin College > >**** > > > > > -- > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > Oberlin College **** > > -- Claudia S. 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