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Yes, Maria I think we'll definitely be working with a short excerpt from one of those sources rather than the whole thing. I don't want to impose too much on everyone's time! On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM, MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Hi Erika, > I also managed to see the Pear story - and I'm in a situation like Stefan, > where I immediately realized that this is going to be too long to > transcribe just now. It will have to wait till after September I'm afraid > for me to transcribe, as I have a deadline for my disseration this year. > What about trying to find a shorter picture story? Or else choose a part > of the pear story rather than the whole story? > warmest, > maria > > > > Hi Erika and sw-friends > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for the delay with my comment. > > > > > > > > Looking at the frog story and looking at the video with the pear story > --- > > > > > > > > ... I felt like � o no, that is much too � I will not be able to write > the > > one or the other � there is so much work to be done in my class as you > > know. > > > > > > > > > > A quite different idea came to my mind. > > > > > > > > Do you know of these drawings for beginners in any new language showing: > > 1) > > a knife on a table, 2) a boy writing at the blackboard, 3) a girl playing > > with her cat 4) a mother working in the flower garden, a) a bird singing > > on > > a tree ... > > > > > > > > What about to compare around the world how people would express this idea > > in > > their given Signlanguage and write this down in SignWriting. > > > > > > > > Do not know whether this kind of documents would provide that kind of > > information that are interesting > > > > > > > > Just look at the different signs in the various SL for dog, mother, > > colors, > > .... and maybe this kind of short descriptions show common concepts of > > grammar or SL as well... > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your answer . and I think it would be good to take > some > > time for group discussion, brainstorming before anybody starts to > > transcribe > > anything... > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Erika > > Hoffmann-Dilloway > > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Januar 2013 15:54 > > An: [log in to unmask] > > Betreff: Re: idea for SW book > > > > > > > > Thanks Maria! > > Yes, I'm hoping I can get a publisher to reproduce all the texts in my > > book, so they'll be available that way. But I think they should be > > available > > outside the book too - through the SW website or the puddle or whatever, > > so > > that they can be useful to all of us and other researchers. > > I'll look for a more accessible pear stories link and post when I've > found > > one :) > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Erika, > > Hope you are fine, and happy new year. Great to hear about the next steps > > in your book. i can't open the link to the other story of the pear..any > > idea how to get that story? Also will the data be available to use by > > other researchers who would look at other aspects of it such as > > cross-linguistic > > comparisons? I really hope you manage to pool in a good number of texts. > > Will be very glad to help with the LSM written story for you. > > Thanks > > maria > > > > > >> Hi KJ - thanks for your feedback. The frog story is quite long but > >> you're > >> right that an excerpt might work! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "KJ Boal" <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I do like the idea of cross-linguistic elicitation material like what > >>> you�ve suggested, though I think both those pieces are quite long � we > >>> might want to select an excerpt from one of them. (My vote is for > >>> something from Frog, Where Are You? � I like being able to look back > >>> and > >>> forth at the pictures to construct the story in my mind, since I don�t > >>> normally think in ASL. I know I�d find a picture story easier to work > >>> with than a video.) > >>> Great idea! > >>> KJ > >>> > >>> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages > >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Erika > >>> Hoffmann-Dilloway > >>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:17 PM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: Re: idea for SW book > >>> > >>> Hi all! > >>> I've been thinking over what material we should use a shared starting > >>> point for producing SW documents for the book. I don't want to us to > >>> translate from a text in a written (signed or spoken) language. So, I'm > >>> thinking the best approach might be to an elicitation material commonly > >>> used in cross-linguistic spoken and signed language research, such as > >>> Frog, Where Are You? (a picture story with no written text) or The Pear > >>> Story video. > >>> For those not familiar - > >>> The former can be seen in the appendix of this article: > >>> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf > >>> The latter can be viewed here: http://pearstories.org/ > >>> I suggest one of these because they've been chosen precisely because > >>> they are thought to be relatively cross-culturally accessible - and we > >>> are a diverse group :) > >>> They are also thought to elicit interesting grammatical variation in > >>> languages. > >>> Finally, because there is so much research on sign languages that has > >>> used these materials for elicitation, the texts you produce can more > >>> easily become a part of a broad comparative cannon. > >>> Frog, Where Are You? will be more work for you all though, as > >>> translating it will certainly take much longer - and for that reason > >>> The > >>> Pear Stories might be a better choice. > >>> However, it would be really cool if another result of this project was > >>> to contribute to the written sign language literature available for > >>> d/Deaf children and other readers! > >>> Mercer Meyer has been very generous in lending this story to research, > >>> and I can look into what it would take to make it permissible to have > >>> multilingual versions of the text with the illustrations available on > >>> the SSW website. Having the translations be useful not only for > >>> research > >>> purposes but also for kids to read would certainly be in the SW spirit! > >>> What do you all think? > >>> Best, > >>> Erika > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> > >>> wrote: > >>> SignWriting List > >>> January 17, 2013 > >>> > >>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>> Yes, I think for the purposes of this project it's fine for > >>> participants > >>> to create the document in whatever way they prefer. Many who use > >>> SignPuddles may want to use that option, but delegs, or even > >>> handwriting > >>> are fine with me. These different approaches themselves provide > >>> interesting data for my project! > >>> > >>> --------- > >>> > >>> Yes�I agree. Another software program is SignWriter Studio, developed > >>> in > >>> Honduras, and in Honduras they also have shown us some amazing > >>> handwritten documents using full stick figures - so the variety of > >>> software and writing styles is quite amazing� > >>> > >>> Take a look at the Honduran document attached�this looks like documents > >>> from Denmark too: > >>> > >>> <image001.jpg> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Val ;-) > >>> > >>> Valerie Sutton > >>> SignWriting List moderator > >>> [log in to unmask] > >>> > >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: > >>> [log in to unmask] > >>> > >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > >>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > >>> > >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > >>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L > > <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1> &A=1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Valerie Sutton > >>> [log in to unmask] > >>> > >>> SignWriting > >>> Read & Write Sign Languages > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org > >>> > >>> SignPuddle Online > >>> Write SignWriting in the Clouds! > >>> Documents, Dictionaries, SignMail > >>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle > >>> > >>> ASL Wikipedia Project > >>> Articles in American Sign Language > >>> http://ase.wikipedia.wmflabs.org > >>> > >>> SignWriting List > >>> Technical Support: Ask questions... > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist > >>> > >>> SignWriting Literature Project > >>> Writing Literature in Sign Languages > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org/literature > >>> > >>> SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects > >>> Encyclopedias in Sign Languages > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org/encyclopedia > >>> > >>> SignWriting Sponsors Forum > >>> Help Educational Non-Profit > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/sponsors > >>> > >>> SignWriting Shop > >>> Books, DVDs, Lessons, Services > >>> http://www.SignWriting.org/shop > >>> > >>> Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting > >>> Center For Sutton Movement Writing > >>> a US educational nonprofit organization > >>> PO Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA > >>> Tel: 858-456-0098 Skype: valeriesutton > >>> > >>> SignWriting on Twitter > >>> http://twitter.com/signwriting > >>> http://twitter.com/ASLWikipedia > >>> > >>> SignWriting on YouTube > >>> http://youtube.com/signwriting > >>> > >>> SignWriting on Facebook > >>> http://facebook.com/SignWriting > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >>> Assistant Professor of Anthropology > >>> Oberlin College > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > > Oberlin College > > > > > > -- Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway Assistant Professor of Anthropology Oberlin College