Hi Cherie,
Great, welcome! I don't want to insist on any sort of tight time frame for this project. I'm happy to keep it going on a rolling basis so that as many people who are interested can participate despite their other obligations. So please let feel free to join in when you're finished with the house (and good luck!).
Likewise, Charles feel free to join back in once you're settled in Brazil (and also good luck with that!).

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Cherie Wren <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
see, that is why its never a good idea to say so directly "you're wrong."  'I wouldn't sign it that way' is always better.  I brush (not rub) straight up, so now we have three variations of one sign.  lol.  Are they regional variations, individual variations, or are one or two of us 'wrong'?  No real way to know...

shall we discuss how to sign FROG instead?  I'm in for this project btw, we are in the middle of a hellacious mountain of paperwork and meetings and contractors trying to buy a fannie mae foreclosure house, or I would have responded sooner. 


From: KJ Boal <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:15 AM

Subject: Re: A Pear Story

OK, I agree you’re doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong because the right had should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I have no issue with the Rub symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just disagree with the arrows.
You’ve taken issue with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d be that defensive if someone pointed out a problem with yours.
From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles Butler
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: A Pear Story
I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle. I'm glad to write it out long-hand and make the sign on ASL puddle more explicit.

Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag.

I have no time markers, what I have is PSE.

Me pick pear into bag.

I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows "rub between" which means it stays on the hand, and does not brush off. The arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the hands remain in contact. A brush would move off.

This is a brush, it would move off in the direction of the arrow.


This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to the right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the hand.

Charles Butler
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Clear writing moves business forward.

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: KJ Boal <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Pear Story
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM
Nice story, Charles, but I think you misspelled “pear” – the right hand should rub the left, but your arrows show the right hand moving away from the left.
Works for me as an example of Signed English!
From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: A Pear Story
SignWriting List
January 19, 2013
We got it, Charles - This is great! 
I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is coming - 
Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be sure to put in the Text area, that the document is for the "Anthropology Book Project"…
Val ;-)
On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do? I put the pears into the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears ripped the bag again. Enough. I give the pears to you.

Courtesy of

Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
Oberlin College