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This seems fine with me,

Ingvild 


Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:57:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: A Pear Story - what sort of book to write
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Yes, Claudia is right and I definitely don't want to start with a sentence in English or any other spoken language. I think that Ingvild and Stefan's suggestion about working with one or two pictures is best. I do still like the idea of deriving those pictures from the Frog story though, as there is such a good cannon of translations from that source. Here's a few images from that book - would something like these work in the way you have in mind Stefan and Ingvild?

Best,
Erika

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Claudia S. Bianchini <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

On my opinion
if we use a sentence in english
1) I sould translate it for my deaf colleagues and so my sentence will be different from yours
2) (and more important) we risk to produce a SL that is very close to vocal language


so, allways on my opinion, is better to have something that is VL-free, so that we don't influence SL production




2013/1/22 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>


















Hi Ingvild, Erika, friends, 

 

I agree with your comment and suggestion – almost the
same as I described in one of my messages before ;-)) 

 

 

“ Ingvild wrote: 

....

2) Frame 1: Woman walking with a small dog on a
leash  Frame 2: Woman still leasurely walking the dog, scene altered 
Frame 3: Woman & dog, + cat in opposite direction  Frame 4: Dog
dragging chasing cat and dragging woman, who has fallen



Or even simpler:  A drawing of a room with a table, a chair, ... and a
sentence to be translated, like: "Please bring me the red book that is on
the table to the left of the door" , or something similar”   ...” 

 

Best 

 

Stefan

 

 

 









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Thanks Ingvild: 





Yes, what I'm envisioning is basically the second scenario you list
below, using a short (equivalent of a paragraph) excerpt from either the Frog
story (which consists of illustrations) or the Pear story (which is a video).





I've been waiting a few days to decide which option to take, as opinion
seems split. 





In the meantime these spelling discussions have come up, and they are
interesting.





the goal is ultimately as you describe: "writing a short passage
in our local sign language, and in our personal style of writing." 





But I welcome these discussions about spelling or any other issues of
interest to list members.

















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On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:12 AM, "Ingvild Roald" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:









Hi all,



I'm a bit confused:



This seems to turn into a discussion on how to spell certain signs in ASL.



My impression from Erica's invitation was that we were supposed to write a
short passage in our local sign language, and in our personal style of writing.



Both the Pear story and the Frog story seem to ask for good Deaf storytelling -
something that can be amazing, but would call for something different from what
I was anticipating.



If the book project is also going to augment the amount of written stories for
Deaf children, the task is huge.



If the book is to try to demonstrate and research different ways of using SW, I
suggest one (or both) of the following courses:



1) A short paragraph (less than 100 English words) to be translated and written
into the different SLs. The paragraph should be (almost) culture-free, and give
opportunities to show use of classifiers, location etc.



2) A 'story' or scene with one or a few simple pictures that would give
oporunity to use location markers, classifiers etc.



As I cannot draw, I cannot give good examples of what I mean, but my
suggestions for outlines would be something like:

1) (simple drawing of boy, a school, a house,..): "Hi! My name is (fill
inn from culture). I am a boy. I am deaf. I go to school over there. I learn to
read and to write. My language is Sign language. I learn to read and write my
own language in Sign Writing at school. I live with my family in the house over
there, on the hill. Our house i red ....)



2) Frame 1: Woman walking with a small dog on a leash  Frame 2: Woman
still leasurely walking the dog, scene altered  Frame 3: Woman & dog,
+ cat in opposite direction  Frame 4: Dog dragging chasing cat and
dragging woman, who has fallen



Or even simpler:  A drawing of a room with a table, a chair, ... and a
sentence to be translated, like: "Please bring me the red book that is on
the table to the left of the door" , or something similar



Ingvild 









Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013
20:09:57 -0700

From: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: A Pear Story

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shall
we discuss how to sign FROG instead?  



 

Sure; I’d write it like this:



 

<image001.png>

 

Not exactly the same as other entries in SignPuddle, but they’re
all along the same lines.

KJ




















-- 
Claudia S. Bianchini, PhD
A.T.E.R. Licence SDL-LSF @ Univ. Poitiers (France)[log in to unmask]





-- 
Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
Oberlin College