Hi Dali, this is interesting. I assume that you are informed about my long-lasting commitment to sign writing. Well this discussion about how to interpret, how to look at the symbols and how to use them within your own writing if you are the scribe has happened several times in the past. At times these discussions had been pretty emotional. As Charles mentioned in his message – you write what you see. That is my way as well to use the symbols. Just accept the 96 symbols of every handshape as possible options and vote for the one that fits best to your visual impression. There are only a few handshapes that are critical because of different background. Most of the handshapes are very clear and there is no doubt how to use them. ;-)) I personally follow the “thumb-rule” - All the best and keep up your spirits! Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Dali balti Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Januar 2013 14:14 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: SW-L Digest - 31 Dec 2012 to 1 Jan 2013 (#2013-2) Hello dear friends!!!! Many thanks to dear Vaerie, who spent long time explaining, teaching and encouraging me!!!! Thanks to dear brother Charles Butler, I am happy that you are using the same orientation, though the others are true, too, as dear Valerie taught me, it just depends on the way we feel it wright!!!! And, I love the one we both use!!! I attached the handshape, dear Stefan, sorry for not posting it, I forgot about that!!! thank you dear!!!!