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That feels right so that the hand is bending at the wrist while the fingers are closing. Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. --- On Thu, 2/14/13, Ingvild Roald <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Ingvild Roald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand. To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, February 14, 2013, 8:34 AM As I try to do the sign, it wonder wether this is really a bending at the wrist rather than a movement of the whole hand? If so, writing might do the trikc? Ingvild Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:00:35 -0800 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand. To: [log in to unmask] The hand's position is in front of the face, not beside it, so putting the finger closings any closer would obscure the fact that it really is in front of the face. It is one movement, the hand bending to the left and the fingers closing one-by-one. The fingers close as the hand turns so I don't see how to separate out what is a single motion. We will talk but it still is one complex motion. Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. --- On Wed, 2/13/13, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand. To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:37 PM SignWriting ListFebruary 13, 2013 The symbol is showing which finger closes first, second and third and has nothing to do with other movement such as wrist movement or arm movement…so the arrow has nothing to do with twists…it just shows which fingers close in which sequence… If you need to really see the ending position that twists, then why not write a beginning and ending hand position, showing the ending handshape in the twisted or angled position that you feel it needs to be?…I would write two hand symbols, one for the beginning and one for the ending… And the dot by dot symbol can be placed closer to the fingers in the beginning 5 hand - We can talk about it when we Skype later - Val ;-) --------- On Feb 13, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: And yet, intuitively, the hand itself bends counter-clockwise (following the direction of the arrow) as the fingers close clockwise. How does one show the counter-wrist bend of the hand for a complete movement? Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. --- On Wed, 2/13/13, Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> Subject: AW: Discussion on slow close of hand. To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 5:07 PM Hi Charles, yes I would prefer your second spelling showing the pinky being the first to close. Stefan Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 22:47 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Discussion on slow close of hand. Here is how I wrote "linda" (beautiful) in LIBRAS. From the videos, I'm apparently writing in backward if I intend to show the smaller finger being the first to close. linda (beautiful) LIBRAS From the video, it should be shown like this. Is this correct? Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward.