Hi Rachel, Valerie,
thank you for your
I do not know. I am
afraid my English is not good enough to explain what our design team is trying
to find out.
Let me try again ... smile.
Personally – as someone
who is working with SignWriting for more than a decade now – I do not
miss anything and I feel so accustomed to the font as it is that I feel pretty
astonished if anybody shows up with the idea to “i m p r o v
e” the design of the symbols in order to make them look more “modern”
or more “nice” or easier to accept or ... or ... or...
Valerie you know about
the discussion with another project years ago - ... I do not want to think of
that. ... ;-)
Now there is another
group of design students. They try to “brush up” the symbols. From
time to time I try to explain to them that by all means we should not change
anything which would cause problems if it comes to misinterpretations –
...within this context
Valerie explained again the idea behind the root of a given hand shape ...
Now we happened to find
an interesting phenomenon.
Human fingers are as they
are – smile – No way to bent your fingers in a smooth curve because
of the bones of a given lenght.
I understand perfectly,
that we can discuss that different variations of a curved hand (flat hand, more
open C – Hand, more closed C-Hand, E – Hand , O- Hand,
S-Hand) are possible and can be written so that the reader should get an idea
of the scribes intention.
That is not my point.
What I am interested in
is to understand why we find different designs for extremely bent fingers
depending on the fact how many fingers are involved. We do write these bent
fingers as angular/hooked/bent handshape, if we are
talking about one, two or three fingers but write half circle curves if there
are more fingers involveld.
Is this just by
accident? Is this a matter of how to get a clear design in small
fonts...? Is it a relict of the DOS-software with limitations if it comes to smooth
If it does not matter it
would be no problem to just write half-circle curves in order to indicate that
we are talking about the extremly bent fingers. (Have a look at the “claw
If it is my feeling that
the hooked index finger is better represented with angular/hooked/bent
If we would design this
finger with a half circle at the end of the finger it feels to me kind of “not
I was told that I
would probably be able to overcome my irritation and would be able to become
familiar with this “new” presentation as “half circle
curve” .... if I see this writing again and again...
So from my point of view
it makes sense just as Charles pointed out "beautiful" artwork must make
sure that you don't lose articulation.” In order to find out that this
should not happen I try to invite all of you to think about this -...
Thank you very much for your attention.
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ASL fingerspelled C is
normally a curved handshape, E is an angular/hooked/bent handshape. Under
some circumstances, the normally curved C handshape might become more angular
(perhaps when fingerspelling E-C-E fast) or the E handshape might relax
into a more curved handshape (perhaps L-E-O might produce this).
((I’m inventing these examples just to make the point here – they
may be wrong).
I would think that you
might want to continue writing the C with a more curved handshape and the E
with a more angular representation even if they looked identical on the
Is this what you mean,