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Stefan, when I get the time I will look in my video data corpus to see if I can find instances of signers performing the sign as you suggest they might. (love the images you included!!!) On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Maria, Erika,Adam, Valerie... **** > > ** ** > > The reason that I feel uncomfortable with the spelling of this sign is > just as Erika explains: **** > > ** ** > > “Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to > allow the hand to rest in the palm of the left? “**** > > ** ** > > That`s it and it is independent of DGS – smile. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Reading your sign my brain suggests to experiment with one of these > variations: **** > > ** ** > > Left hand indicating the ground, right hand indicating the tower (Dharahara) > - **** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > (I would feel much more comfortable with the left hand palm down ( but > that is not the point. It is not up to me to discuss signs but only to > discuss spelling – I know smile!)**** > > **** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Well if you write a “rest” one hand upon another I expect that I can > perform that. In this case you cannot unless you rest the lower arm on the > palm of the left hand holding the right hand at 90°. **** > > (That hurts)**** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > What we do in these cases is what Adam explained: We simply accept and > tell our brain to interpret this spelling if it shows up another time to be > interpreted as what you see on Erikas foto. **** > > ** ** > > I myself love to discuss spelling and to ask myself wether this or that > spelling should be chosen. **** > > ** ** > > Sometimes I have my doubts immediately – for example when reading the > first attempt of Claudia to write Paris – wow next message she shows up to > change handorientation – well done!! Another example is the spelling of Sao > Paulo palm facing the signer... **** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > In this case of Kathmandu – Adam is right – it hurts if I try to sign it > with this extreme bend and I would be eager to videotape 10 signers in > Kathmandu – how many of them would rest the back of the right hand on the > palm of the left hand – but just bending the index up – or something like > this in between the two spellings ;-) **** > > ** ** > > So to anwer your question Maria – in my first contact with Erikas spelling > I wanted the right hand with index straight upward... and that is > impossible.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Maria for your question. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Stefan**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *Im Auftrag von *Erika > Hoffmann-Dilloway > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 29. März 2013 18:25 > *An:* [log in to unmask] > *Betreff:* Re: Erika's SignWriting..**** > > ** ** > > Stefan - would that have helped? **** > > Happy Easter to you too Maria! I was actually just eating a Cadbury Cream > Egg while reading your message...**** > > ** ** > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM, MARIA GALEA <[log in to unmask]> > wrote:**** > > Yes that could be it..perhaps if the B-Hand hand is written diagonally it > might read more 'smoothly'? see attached. > > oh and before I go a BIG HAPPY EASTER Erika and EVERYONE else on the > List..enjoy your Easter Eggs and naturally your loved ones. > maria**** > > > > > > Maybe it's because the wrist of the right hand has to flex so much to > > allow > > the hand to rest in the palm of the left? Maybe that extreme bend is not > > as > > phonologically common in, say, DGS? > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:51 PM, MARIA GALEA > > <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > > > >> Stefan, > >> I could read Erika's writing perfectly, without the photo. I don't > >> understand why you claimed that the SignWriting couldn't be performed. > >> Maria > >> > >> > >> > Here's a photo of the sign. How would you suggest I write it. Scribing > >> has > >> > never been my strong suit :) > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Stefan W�hrmann < > >> > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Erika, **** > >> >> > >> >> ** ** > >> >> > >> >> well I cannot perform that ;-( although I have an idea what you want > >> to > >> >> show � but right hand up there is the horizontal line of hand and > >> lower > >> >> arm - nothing that can be rest on the left palm ???**** > >> >> > >> >> ** ** > >> >> > >> >> Stefan**** > >> >> > >> >> ** ** > >> >> ------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto: > >> >> [log in to unmask]] *Im Auftrag von *Erika > >> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 18:07 > >> >> > >> >> *An:* [log in to unmask] > >> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name > >> of > >> >> YOUR city and post to the List? > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> ** ** > >> >> > >> >> Yes, the right hand comes to rest on top of the palm of the left. > >> Maybe > >> >> I > >> >> should just have shown them already in contact?**** > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stefan W�hrmann < > >> >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:**** > >> >> > >> >> Hi Erika, **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> can you explain Kathmandu: **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> left flat hand palm up fingers to the right ( no problem)**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> right hand Index � Hand � palm facing the signer moving down - mh > >> � > >> >> how to get the touch between the two hands � right hand on top of > >> the > >> >> left > >> >> hand ?? **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Stefan **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> ------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> *Von:* SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto: > >> >> [log in to unmask]] *Im Auftrag von *Erika > >> >> Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. M�rz 2013 17:18**** > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *An:* [log in to unmask] > >> >> *Betreff:* Re: Signs for Cities and States - can you write the name > >> of > >> >> YOUR city and post to the List?**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> I don't know ASL, so I don't know a sign for Detroit, Ann Arbor, or > >> >> Oberlin (my US places).**** > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> So I'm posting the sign for Kathmandu, the city where I learned to > >> sign! > >> >> * > >> >> *** > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> I am a West Coaster, and I must admit that people get East Coast city > >> >> signs mixed up along with our own city signs. But this is how I > >> >> personally > >> >> sign the 4 commonly confused "B" cities, since I am very picky and > >> have > >> >> been known to correct people at times. ;-) It seems to match what you > >> >> sign, > >> >> Kim.**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Boston, Massachusetts**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Baltimore, Massachusetts**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Berkeley, California**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Burbank, California**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Adam**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Kimberley Shaw wrote:**** > >> >> > >> >> ** ** > >> >> > >> >> Hi everyone: > >> >> those of us in Boston, Massachusetts sign it thus: > >> >> **** > >> >> ------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> and refer to Berkeley, CA thus: > >> >> > >> >> But some of my signing friends tell me that when you're on the West > >> >> Coast, > >> >> it's the other way around! > >> >> Best, > >> >> Kim from Boston**** > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Valerie Sutton > >> <[log in to unmask]> > >> >> wrote:**** > >> >> > >> >> SignWriting List**** > >> >> > >> >> March 28, 2013**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> NAMES OF CITIES and STATES Around the World**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Thank you, Ingvild, Charles and Stefan for your signs!**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> I would suggest that you add your signs to the International Sign > >> >> Dictionary online:**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> SignPuddle for International Signs Dictionary**** > >> >> > >> >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=35**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> I just copied mine for La Jolla, California from the ASL Dictionary > >> to > >> >> the > >> >> International Dictionary, and I hope you can do the same for your > >> signs > >> >> too� > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> And I hope more names of cities, states, countries and other > >> >> international > >> >> signs can be added too�**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Here is what we have so far�and I really like all four spellings! > >> Thanks > >> >> to you all�**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> Val ;-)**** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> **** > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology > >> >> Oberlin College **** > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> >> Assistant Professor of Anthropology > >> >> Oberlin College **** > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > >> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > >> > Oberlin College > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > > Oberlin College > >**** > > > > > -- > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway > Assistant Professor of Anthropology > Oberlin College **** > -- Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway Assistant Professor of Anthropology Oberlin College