Hi everyone,

Having both mouth symbols in one head symbol is an interesting idea, but I personally didn’t care for it.  The top mouth looked like a moustache to me.  I did like the other two writings; but if I had to pick one it would be Adam’s, just because of the way he used the top-off head to stack the head symbols.  Both ending mouths made sense to me.

Just my two cents,

KJ

 

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April 13, 2013

 

Hi Natasha and Adam and Stefan and all…

 

I like all the methods shown - and of course your work with Mouth Movements, Stefan is truly wonderful … 

 

Regarding writing down in vertical columns, I agree that the feeling of the changing mouth movements feels like it should be written down, since the reading of the entire document is going down…and likewise, when reading a document from left to right, writing the changing facial expressions from left to right makes sense for the reading direction…

 

I like Natasha's writing of the sign for FINISH and Adam's too…it is true that when we use the Head symbol with the top off the top of the head, it gives us a way to place one face over the other in an interesting stack - to find that symbol, go to the Heads, and under the first group in Heads is a Head Symbol that does not have the top on, so we can stack more facial features into one Head symbol…Adam used that to superimpose one head on the other in his example below…

 

And all the Facial Expressions are listed on this page as Adam said:

 

http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html

 

 - just click on the Group name and it will list all the facial expression and head symbols with names and ID numbers...

 

Now, below I have placed an idea...this is only an experiment - I have never shared this with anyone before, but what about the idea of stacking mouth symbols within one head symbol? It may look ridiculous and I will not mind if you tell me so! (smile)…take a look at this idea attached…the Head Circle without the top on it, would be a requirement so we know we are stacking Facial features…we would know that those are two Mouth Positions stacked within one Head Circle, because the top of the Head circle is not there - this would only work for two positions or maybe three at the most -