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Hello Charles, your sign GANGORRA I see similar movement, but probably there you need movement of the trunk. Did you constructed the movement in sign PROFUNDO On 15 May 2013 13:38, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/edit?ns=1&video_id=YoFRKW2IUNs > > > > Possible spiral down - profundo > > Spiral out and down > > > > Charles Butler > [log in to unmask] > 240-764-5748 > Clear writing moves business forward. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Honza <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:19 AM > *Subject:* Re: Elbow movement and some details > > Hello everyone, > > Val I know, there is spiral upward movement arrow, but I don't know why, > forward spiral is not included in ISWA. > Adam thanks for constructing spiral forward movement. > Adam and Charles, I think your elbow movement will work for me as well, > but I am not sure if it is clear enought, that it is not hand but elbow > movement. > > Charles, please could you share movie of SeeSaw sign? Thanks. > > Honza > > > On 14 May 2013 17:30, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > SignWriting List > May 14, 2013 > > I think your attempt looks great, Adam - > > It can be constructed nicely thank goodness - > > Val ;-) > > ----- > > > On May 14, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I, personally would see 1, 2, and 3 as loops because the movement is in a > "line" or all on one plane, the wall or the floor for example. Spirals have > a circular movement that travels rather than staying stationary. That would > be like #4. The current ISWA does not have this same movement forward, so > it has to be constructed. Here is my attempt. > > > Would this work for you Honza? > > Adam > > On May 14, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote: > > SignWriting List > May 14, 2013 > > For me, the term Spiral means a traveling circle… > > Here are the three Spirals in the ISWA 2010: > > > > 1. Spiral Traveling Up parallel with the Wall Plane > 2. Spiral Traveling Forward parallel with the Floor Plane > 3. Spiral Traveling to the Side parallel with the Floor Plane > > Then there is a fourth symbol: > > > > > Other than these four symbols, you will need to write a separate Circle > symbol and combine it with other arrows, if you want something that is > different than these pre-composed symbols - > > So I am curious…what do other Spirals look like? > > Val ;-) > > -------- > > > On May 14, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Honza <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Adam and Val for your comments. > > 1 - I mean the elbow movement you can see in attached video. > 4 - Adam, you are right, I mean forward spiral movement, that is different > from the movement Val shown. > > Thanks > Honza > > > On 13 May 2013 17:58, Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Here are some replies from me below. > > Adam > > On May 13, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Honza wrote: > > Hello Val, > > I have some specific question: > > 1. Is there way how to write down movement of an elbow? Maybe it is > possible to use some "neutral" arrows for that somehow. > > What type of movement of the elbow are you talking about? Can you show us > what you mean? > > > 1. As you know, in Puddle there are two rub symbols. One "left" and > one "right". Is there any difference in the direction of movements? > > I guess in theory you could say there is a difference following the > rotation of the curl, but most people don't really pay attention to that > detail and only choice one. > > > 1. I am not sure about using (( alternating lines. I don't see any way > where this can be useful, due all information are included in movement > arrows. > > You are absolutely correct. That is the reason that I don't usually use > most of the timing symbols because the movement arrows already tell me that > information, but there are some people who feel that repetition of > information is needed and therefore use it. > > > 1. Is there easy way how to write down circular+forward movement? > > I know that Val replied already, but are you talking about a forward > looping movement (which would be what Val showed) or are you talking about > a forward spiral movement? > > > Thank you. > Honza > > > > > > > > > > > >