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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this symbol: It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-) Adam > On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDEN= SCHRIFT.DE> wrote: >=20 > Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, > =20 > for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...=20 > =20 > There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials that show a variety of h= ow to sign the numbers ...;-))=20 > =20 > Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape som= e of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D > =20 > Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally I ha= ve problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort) > =20 > <image001.jpg> =20 > =20 > =20 > What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? > =20 > <image003.gif> > =20 > =20 > =20 > All best > =20 > Stefan > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/sw= list >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.val= enciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 > <BSL 9 hand shape.jpg> ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail-C102C25C-3647-4A94-90C0-7B1EA788EA73 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=Apple-Mail-2E9613F6-1EE8-472E-B4B2-DB6B398BA828; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-2E9613F6-1EE8-472E-B4B2-DB6B398BA828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>If you look at page 162 of the handsha= pes manual, you'll find this symbol:</div><div><img src=3D"cid:/page172image= 1468" alt=3D"page172image1468" width=3D"52.649994" height=3D"78.975037"></di= v><div>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</d= iv> =09 =09 =09 <div class=3D"page" title=3D"Page 172"> <div class=3D"section"> </div> </div><div><br>On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrma= nn" <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrma= [log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"= ><div> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1= "> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* 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tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... <= o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials= that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) <o:p></o:p></span></font><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbo= l set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80= =9D <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey b= ent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much= effort) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><image001.jpg> <o:p></o:p></span= ></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">What do you think about my attempt to construct th= is hand shape? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><image003.gif><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s= tyle=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Stefan <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> ________________________________________________ <p> </p><p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION </p><p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> </p><p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a 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charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello ADAM=20 If you have time Please Could you add this symbol on its side.. to repre= sent 9 in to Sign bank.=20 =20 =0A= =0A= Maureen =20 Date: Sun=2C 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 -0700 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 To: [log in to unmask] If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual=2C you'll find this symbol= :It is under group 6 in the ISWA. =3B-) Adam=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =09 On Sep 29=2C 2013=2C at 3:46 AM=2C "Stefan Woehrmann" <stefanwoehrmann@GEBA= ERDENSCHRIFT.DE> wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Valerie=2C Adam=2C Maureen and friends=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= There are various online-video =96 tutorials that=0A= show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...=3B-)) =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0A= set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward=0A= palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to muc= h=0A= effort) =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= <image001.jpg> =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= What do you think about my attempt to construct this=0A= hand shape? =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= <image003.gif>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= All best =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Stefan =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________________=0A= =0A= =0A= SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=0A= =0A= Valerie Sutton=0A= SignWriting List moderator=0A= [log in to unmask] =0A= Post Messages to the SignWriting List:=0A= [log in to unmask] =0A= SignWriting List Archives & Home Page=0A= http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist=0A= =0A= Join=2C Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages=0A= http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A= <BSL 9 hand 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quoted-printable <html> <head> <style><!-- .hmmessage P { margin:0px=3B padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 12pt=3B font-family:Calibri } --></style></head> <body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Hello ADAM <br>If you have time&= nbsp=3B Please =3B Could you add this symbol on its side.. =3B to r= epresent =3B =3B 9  =3B in =3B to Sign bank. <br> =3B<b= r><br><br><div>=0A= <div>=0A= <div><img src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emsmiled.gif" height=3D"12" wi= dth=3D"12"> =3B <img src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emthup.gif" hei= ght=3D"12" width=3D"12"> =3B <font face=3D"Lucida Handwriting=2C Cursiv= e" size=3D"6"><font color=3D"#3300cc">Maureen =3B</font> </font></div><= /div></div><br><br><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Sun=2C 29 Sep 2013 06= :39:23 -0700<br>From: [log in to unmask]<br>Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9= <br>To: [log in to unmask]<br><br><div>If you look at page 1= 62 of the handshapes manual=2C you'll find this symbol:</div><div><img src= =3D"cid:/page172image1468" alt=3D"page172image1468" height=3D"78.975037" wi= dth=3D"52.649994"></div><div>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. =3B-)</div><d= iv><br></div><div>Adam</div>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= <div class=3D"ecxpage" title=3D"Page 172">=0A= <div class=3D"section">=0A= </div>=0A= </div><div><br>On Sep 29=2C 2013=2C at 3:46 AM=2C "Stefan Woehrmann" <= =3B<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@G= EBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>>=3B wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= <style><!--=0A= .ExternalClass .ecxshape {=0A= }=0A= --></style>=0A= =0A= <style><!--=0A= .ExternalClass p.ecxMsoNormal=2C .ExternalClass li.ecxMsoNormal=2C .Externa= lClass div.ecxMsoNormal {=0A= font-size:12.0pt=3B=0A= font-family:"Times New Roman"=3B=0A= }=0A= =0A= .ExternalClass a:link=2C .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlink {=0A= color:blue=3B=0A= text-decoration:underline=3B=0A= }=0A= =0A= .ExternalClass span.ecxMsoHyperlinkFollowed {=0A= color:purple=3B=0A= text-decoration:underline=3B=0A= }=0A= =0A= .ExternalClass span.ecxE-MailFormatvorlage17 {=0A= font-family:Arial=3B=0A= color:windowtext=3B=0A= }=0A= =0A= .ExternalClass div.ecxSection1 {=0A= }=0A= =0A= --></style>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= <div class=3D"ecxSection1">=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi Valerie=2C Adam=2C= Maureen  =3Band friends=2C </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">for some hours I am b= usy to look at BSL signs... </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">There are various onl= ine-video =96 tutorials that=0A= show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...=3B-)) </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">Just a question ... d= o we have in the actual symbol=0A= set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 </span= ></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">Flat-hand ... or = =3B five-hand =3B but pinkey bent toward=0A= palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to muc= h=0A= effort) </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"><=3Bimage001.jpg>= =3B =3B =3B </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">What do you think abo= ut my attempt to construct this=0A= hand shape? </span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"><=3Bimage003.gif>= =3B</span></font></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">All best </span></fon= t></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB"> =3B</span></font= ></p>=0A= =0A= <p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"fo= nt-size:10.0pt=3Bfont-family:Arial=3B" lang=3D"EN-GB">Stefan </span></font>= </p>=0A= =0A= </div>=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________________=0A= =0A= <BR>=0A= SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=0A= <BR>=0A= Valerie Sutton=0A= SignWriting List moderator=0A= <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>=0A= <BR>=0A= Post Messages to the SignWriting List:=0A= <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] college.edu</a>=0A= <BR>=0A= SignWriting List Archives &=3B Home Page=0A= <a 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Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_689D1D48-1680-4E0F-8E04-05B5529F6CC2" --Apple-Mail=_689D1D48-1680-4E0F-8E04-05B5529F6CC2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. :-) Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote: > Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under = the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this = be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and = bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian = sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger = now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20 > =20 > Charles Butler > [log in to unmask] > 240-764-5748 > Clear writing moves business forward. >=20 > From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM > Subject: hand shape BSL 9 >=20 > Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, > =20 > for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... > =20 > There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of = how to sign the numbers ...;-)) > =20 > Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape = some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 > =20 > Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally = I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > All best > =20 > Stefan > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_689D1D48-1680-4E0F-8E04-05B5529F6CC2 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ABA706B0-2259-474C-8406-2068F4FFE6CD"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_ABA706B0-2259-474C-8406-2068F4FFE6CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The = specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at = 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div = style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new = york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Isn't this already covered = under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the = use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 = which shows the little finger forward and bent with the other fingers = straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was = already written. The point of the little finger now being shown is that = it is down and bent, not up and = visible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: = bold;">To:</span></b> <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: = bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> = </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv7670809995"> =20 =20 <style> <!-- #yiv7670809995 =20 #yiv7670809995 p.yiv7670809995MsoNormal, #yiv7670809995 = li.yiv7670809995MsoNormal, #yiv7670809995 div.yiv7670809995MsoNormal = {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times = New Roman";} #yiv7670809995 a:link, #yiv7670809995 span.yiv7670809995MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7670809995 a:visited, #yiv7670809995 = span.yiv7670809995MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7670809995 span.yiv7670809995E-MailFormatvorlage17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;} _filtered #yiv7670809995 {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} #yiv7670809995 div.yiv7670809995Section1 {} --> </style> <div> <div class=3D"yiv7670809995Section1"> <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey = bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to = much effort) </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" = id=3D"yiv7670809995_x0000_i1025" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"> = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct = this hand shape? </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; 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filename=01-06-009-01-02-01.png Content-Type: image/png; name=01-06-009-01-02-01.png Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABQAAAAeAgMAAABRfNb4AAAACVBMVEX+AAD///8AAAAt8pt5AAAA AXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAC9JREFUCJljYOBiAAEMkouLi0Jy1apVK2Dk0lAYyYVEaiCRCxDkqgYkkgFK IpkGAHz2J/sJAMwVAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --Apple-Mail=_ABA706B0-2259-474C-8406-2068F4FFE6CD-- --Apple-Mail=_689D1D48-1680-4E0F-8E04-05B5529F6CC2-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:20:04 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_12EF13C4-71B9-4B56-A04E-AC9CFC15C425" --Apple-Mail=_12EF13C4-71B9-4B56-A04E-AC9CFC15C425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 All the rotations are already there. If you mean an entry into = SignPuddle for BSL 9, anyone could do that. It doesn't have to be just = me since it is an open dictionary. If you don't know how to use = SignPuddle, I'm sure we can help you. ;-) Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Maureen Doyle wrote: > Hello ADAM=20 > If you have time Please Could you add this symbol on its side.. to = represent 9 in to Sign bank.=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Maureen=20 >=20 >=20 > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 > To: [log in to unmask] >=20 > If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this = symbol: >=20 > It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-) >=20 > Adam >=20 > On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" = <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >=20 > Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, > =20 > for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... > =20 > There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of = how to sign the numbers ...;-)) > =20 > Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape = some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 > =20 > Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally = I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort) > =20 > <image001.jpg> =20 > =20 > =20 > What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? > =20 > <image003.gif> > =20 > =20 > =20 > All best > =20 > Stefan > ________________________________________________=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=20 > <BSL 9 hand shape.jpg> > ________________________________________________=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_12EF13C4-71B9-4B56-A04E-AC9CFC15C425 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C287A596-8DF5-4FA2-BC5F-99D8E275CC73"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_C287A596-8DF5-4FA2-BC5F-99D8E275CC73 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><Bass href=3D"x-msg://167/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; ">All the rotations are already there. If you mean an = entry into SignPuddle for BSL 9, anyone could do that. It doesn't have = to be just me since it is an open dictionary. If you don't know how to = use SignPuddle, I'm sure we can help you. = ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at = 6:48 AM, Maureen Doyle wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = class=3D"hmmessage" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; = "><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello ADAM<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>If you have time = Please Could you add this symbol on its side.. to = represent 9 in to Sign bank.<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br><br><br><div><d= iv><div><img src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emsmiled.gif" = height=3D"12" width=3D"12"> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><img = src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emthup.gif" height=3D"12" = width=3D"12"> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><font face=3D"Lucida = Handwriting, Cursive" size=3D"6"><font = color=3D"#3300cc">Maureen </font></font></div></div></div><br><br><di= v><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 = -0700<br>From:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>Subject: = Re: hand shape BSL 9<br>To:<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a><br><br><div>If you look at page 162 of the handshapes = manual, you'll find this symbol:</div><div><img alt=3D"page172image1468" = height=3D"391" width=3D"260" id=3D"29d17a91-ba56-420e-8543-ea4058321140" = apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:/page172image1468"></div><div>It is under group 6 in the = ISWA. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div class=3D"ecxpage" = title=3D"Page 172"><div class=3D"section"></div></div><div><br>On Sep = 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div = class=3D"ecxSection1"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: = 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and = friends,</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: = 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL = signs...</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: = 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that = show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-))</span></font></div><p = class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: = 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial; "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: = 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing = =93nine=94</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: = 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey = bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape = without to much effort)</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: = 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; = "><image001.jpg> </span></font></div><p = class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: = 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial; "> </span></font></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: = 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct = this hand shape?</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: = 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 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"> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; = padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">All best</span></font></div><p = class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: = 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" = size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial; "> </span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: = 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font = face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; = ">Stefan</span></font></div></div>________________________________________= 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--Apple-Mail=_C287A596-8DF5-4FA2-BC5F-99D8E275CC73-- --Apple-Mail=_12EF13C4-71B9-4B56-A04E-AC9CFC15C425-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:14 +0200 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]> Subject: AW: hand shape BSL 9 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CEBD31.E1514550" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CEBD31.E1514550 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01CEBD31.E1560040" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CEBD31.E1560040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adam, Charles... =20 thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the = Digitus minimus (manus), is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if = not??? Uuups-=20 =20 Following the idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with the = flat hand =96 =93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would touch the = palm.=20 =20 =20 I remember the discussion with a group of designers in our team. They = looked carefully at the symbols and discussed improvements in order to give all = the symbols a consistent look ...=20 =20 Perhaps this symbol would / should become a candidate for that .smile. = The professional designers would ask for the reason that the thumb is of different lenght and angle compared to other similar symbols. =20 I myself have a problem that compared with many, many other symbols of = the ISWA the line of the index is not at the same level of the line of the square. This may be a reason that I could not find a symbol that I was looking for.=20 =20 If you compare the two options I probably would vote for the second = graphic ;-))=20 =20 =20 ISWA symbol=20 =20 =20 =20 Possible new design=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 All best=20 Stefan=20 =20 _____ =20 Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. September 2013 15:39 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: hand shape BSL 9 =20 If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this = symbol: page172image1468 It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-) =20 Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends,=20 =20 for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...=20 =20 There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how = to sign the numbers ...;-))=20 =20 Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape = some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94=20 =20 Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally I = have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)=20 =20 <image001.jpg> =20 =20 =20 What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?=20 =20 <image003.gif> =20 =20 =20 All best=20 =20 Stefan=20 ________________________________________________=20 SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=20 Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] = SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist=20 Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1> = &A=3D1=20 <BSL 9 hand shape.jpg> ________________________________________________=20 SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION=20 Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] = SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist=20 Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01CEBD31.E1560040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.E-MailFormatvorlage17 {mso-style-type:personal; font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} span.E-MailFormatvorlage19 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:595.3pt 841.9pt; margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body lang=3DDE link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Adam, = Charles...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the </span></font><span lang=3DEN-GB>Digitus minimus (manus), =A0is still in contact with the = palm. ...But what if not??? Uuups- <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Following the idea of “hand shape = constraction we would start with the flat hand – “house” ... right = Valerie ..since no finger would touch the palm. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I remember the = discussion with a group of designers in our team. They looked carefully at the = symbols and discussed improvements in order to give all the symbols a consistent = look ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Perhaps this = symbol would / should become a candidate for that .smile. =A0The professional = designers would ask for the reason that the thumb is of different lenght and angle = compared to other similar symbols.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I myself have a = problem that compared with many, many other symbols of the ISWA=A0 the line of = the index is not at the same level of the line of the square. This may be a reason = that I could not find a symbol that I was looking for. = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you compare = the two options I probably would vote for the second graphic ;-)) = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ISWA symbol = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><img width=3D127 = height=3D70 id=3D"_x0000_i1027" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Possible new = design <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><img width=3D127 = height=3D73 id=3D"_x0000_i1028" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>= </span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font = size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span= ></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages = [mailto:[log in to unmask]</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>ACOLLEGE.EDU] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Adam = Frost<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Sonntag, 29. = September 2013 15:39<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b> [log in to unmask]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: hand shape = BSL 9</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find = this symbol:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><img width=3D52 height=3D78 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]" = alt=3Dpage172image1468><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. = ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br> On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAE= RDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=3Dcite> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, = <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>for some hours I am busy to look at BSL = signs... <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There are various online-video – = tutorials that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) = <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing = “nine” <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Flat-hand ... or five-hand but = pinkey bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort) <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><image001.jpg> = <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What do you think about my attempt to = construct this hand shape? <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><image003.gif><u1:p></u1:p></span></font>= <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>All best = <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Stefan = <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>________________________________________________ = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = 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Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="729328464-609800623-1380467137=:18009" How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with= --729328464-609800623-1380467137=:18009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam,=C2=A0=0A=0AHow did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with= the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger= ). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL= SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2=A0=0A= =C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask] w= riting moves business forward.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A = From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask] .EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: hand shape= BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AThe specific ID that is being asked= for here is=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03. :-)=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013= , at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A=0AIsn't this already covered under 0= 1-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the= little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the = little finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe i= t is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point o= f the little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and= visible.=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>= 240-764-5748=0A>Clear writing moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>______= __________________________=0A> From: Stefan Woehrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBA= ERDENSCHRIFT.DE>=0A>To: [log in to unmask] =0A>Sent: Sunday,= September 29, 2013 6:46 AM=0A>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> = =0A>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen =C2=A0and friends, =0A>=C2=A0=0A>for some hou= rs I am busy to look at BSL signs... =0A>=C2=A0=0A>There are various online= -video =E2=80=93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers= ...;-)) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol= =0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine= =E2=80=9D =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Flat-hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey b= ent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape w= ithout to much=0Aeffort) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A= >What do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>=C2= =A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>All best =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Stefan =0A_____= ___________________________________________ =0A>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATIO= N =0A>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] = =0A>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] u =0A>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/foru= ms/swlist =0A>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http:/= /listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A>=0A>=0A____= ____________________________________________ =0A>=0A>=0A>SIGNWRITING LIST I= NFORMATION =0A>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriti= ng.org =0A>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] lege.edu =0A>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.o= rg/forums/swlist =0A>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages= http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A_____= ___________________________________________ =0ASIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION= =0AValerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List [log in to unmask] = =0APost Messages to the SignWriting List:[log in to unmask] du =0ASignWriting List Archives & Home Page=0Ahttp://www.signwriting.org/fo= rums/swlist =0AJoin, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages=0Ahtt= p://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --729328464-609800623-1380467137=:18009 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="729328464-151260985-1380467137=:18009" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --729328464-151260985-1380467137=:18009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ta= homa, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Adam, </span><= /div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahom= a, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: nor= mal; "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:= 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: tra= nsparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs th= at differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate= with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. = I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an= 01-07 sign. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles But= ler<br>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves busi= ness forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div di= r=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style= =3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <[log in to unmask] ><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV= .VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span= ></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight= : bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> = </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323"= ><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-= 03. :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at= 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv7211807323Apple-interc= hange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0= , 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma= , 'new york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 0= 1-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the= little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the = little finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe i= t is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point o= f the little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and= visible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler= <br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target= =3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] om</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><= br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', = times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new rom= an', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size= =3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b= > Stefan Woehrmann <<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrman= [log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEB= AERDENSCHRIFT.DE">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m= ailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:S= [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br= > <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 2= 9, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b= > hand shape BSL 9<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv7211807323y_msg_cont= ainer"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#= yiv7211807323 =0A p.yiv7211807323MsoNormal, #yiv7211807323 li.yiv7211807= 323MsoNormal, #yiv7211807323 div.yiv7211807323MsoNormal=0A=09{margin:0cm;m= argin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}=0A#yi= v7211807323 a:link, #yiv7211807323 span.yiv7211807323MsoHyperlink=0A=09{c= olor:blue;text-decoration:underline;}=0A#yiv7211807323 a:visited, #yiv7211= 807323 span.yiv7211807323MsoHyperlinkFollowed=0A=09{color:purple;text-deco= ration:underline;}=0A#yiv7211807323 span.yiv7211807323E-MailFormatvorlage1= 7=0A=09{font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;}=0A#yiv7211807323 filtered {ma= rgin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}=0A#yiv7211807323 div.yiv7211807323Sec= tion1=0A=09{}=0A-->=0A</style>=0A=0A=0A=0A<div>=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv72118= 07323Section1">=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:= Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, </span></font></div>= =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial= "><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nb= sp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font s= ize=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fon= t-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... </span>= </font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNo= rmal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-si= ze: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tu= torials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></f= ont></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fac= e=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ari= al; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNorma= l"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:= 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual s= ymbol=0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9C= nine=E2=80=9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNorm= al"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size= : 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class= =3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"E= N-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or = ; five-hand but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problem= s to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></font></div>= =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial= "><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nb= sp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font s= ize=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fon= t-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv7211807323_x0= 000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]">  = ; </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font si= ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font= -family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv721180= 7323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style= =3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A= =0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><s= pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">What do = you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></font></= div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"A= rial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">= </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><fo= nt size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;= font-family: Arial; 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charset=windows-1252 It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't = believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject = line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the = ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20 Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote: > Adam,=20 >=20 > How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little = finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That = makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL = SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20 > =20 > Charles Butler > [log in to unmask] > 240-764-5748 > Clear writing moves business forward. >=20 > From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 >=20 > The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-) >=20 > Adam >=20 > On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >=20 >> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under = the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this = be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and = bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian = sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger = now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20 >> =20 >> Charles Butler >> [log in to unmask] >> 240-764-5748 >> Clear writing moves business forward. >>=20 >> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM >> Subject: hand shape BSL 9 >>=20 >> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, >> =20 >> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... >> =20 >> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of = how to sign the numbers ...;-)) >> =20 >> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand = shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 >> =20 >> Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally = I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort) >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> All best >> =20 >> Stefan >> ________________________________________________ >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________ >>=20 >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_C7A64EA3-F65C-468F-940B-2324A5B861AC Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4CEB6B26-4EB0-4A7D-AEBD-0DC3D52B703B"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_4CEB6B26-4EB0-4A7D-AEBD-0DC3D52B703B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It = isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe = I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that = was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that = people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03. <div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><= div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div = style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new = york, times, = serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Adam, </span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; = "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: = transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How did that move from a 06 = (signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that = differentiate with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not = a ring finger. I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an = 01-06 sign not an 01-07 = sign. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', = times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> = Adam Frost <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> = <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: = bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - = 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div = class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323"><div>The = specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at = 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"yiv7211807323Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: = tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already = covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that = govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's = Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and bent with the other = fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language so it = was already written. The point of the little finger now being shown is = that it is down and bent, not up and = visible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font = size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann <<a = rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> = Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> = </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv7211807323y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv7211807323"> =20 =20 <style> <!-- #yiv7211807323 =20 p.yiv7211807323MsoNormal, #yiv7211807323 li.yiv7211807323MsoNormal, = #yiv7211807323 div.yiv7211807323MsoNormal = {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times = New Roman";} #yiv7211807323 a:link, #yiv7211807323 span.yiv7211807323MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7211807323 a:visited, #yiv7211807323 = span.yiv7211807323MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7211807323 span.yiv7211807323E-MailFormatvorlage17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;} #yiv7211807323 filtered {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} #yiv7211807323 div.yiv7211807323Section1 {} --> </style> <div> <div class=3D"yiv7211807323Section1"> <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey = bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to = much effort) </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" = id=3D"yiv7211807323_x0000_i1025" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"> = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct = this hand shape? </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; 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filename=01-06-009-01-02-01.png Content-Type: image/png; name=01-06-009-01-02-01.png Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABQAAAAeAgMAAABRfNb4AAAACVBMVEX+AAD///8AAAAt8pt5AAAA AXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAC9JREFUCJljYOBiAAEMkouLi0Jy1apVK2Dk0lAYyYVEaiCRCxDkqgYkkgFK IpkGAHz2J/sJAMwVAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --Apple-Mail=_4CEB6B26-4EB0-4A7D-AEBD-0DC3D52B703B-- --Apple-Mail=_C7A64EA3-F65C-468F-940B-2324A5B861AC-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-06-009-01-02-01 (my error) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-346883024-1449367109-1380468258=:53739" I had another graphic for anothe= ---346883024-1449367109-1380468258=:53739 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-346883024-1615807220-1380468258=:53739" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---346883024-1615807220-1380468258=:53739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=C2=A0=0A=0AI had another graphic for anothe= r discussion right next to it. Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it = were?=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask] 0-764-5748=0AClear writing moves business forward.=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0A From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: SW-L@LIST= SERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM=0ASub= ject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AIt isn't in gro= up 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever said it= was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had p= laced before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were referring to= for the specific handshape and rotation was=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03.=C2=A0= =0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A=0A= Adam,=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiat= e with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring = finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened t= he ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2= =A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>240-764-5748= =0A>Clear writing moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>__________________= ______________=0A> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>=0A>To: SW-L@LIST= SERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU =0A>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0A>S= ubject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>The speci= fic ID that is being asked for here is=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03. :-)=0A>=0A>= =0A>Adam=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A>= =0A>Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the= handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that= sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and bent with t= he other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language = so it was already written. The point of the little finger now being shown i= s that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Charle= s Butler=0A>>[log in to unmask]>>240-764-5748=0A>>Clear writing mo= ves business forward.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________= =0A>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>=0A>>To: = [log in to unmask] =0A>>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:4= 6 AM=0A>>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Valerie, Ad= am, Maureen =C2=A0and friends, =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>for some hours I am busy to = look at BSL signs... =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>There are various online-video =E2=80= =93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) =0A>= >=C2=A0=0A>>Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset the h= and shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D =0A= >>=C2=A0=0A>>Flat-hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey bent toward= =0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to = much=0Aeffort) =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>What= do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>>=C2=A0= =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>All best =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Stefan =0A__= ______________________________________________ =0A>>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORM= ATION =0A>>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] rg =0A>>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] e.edu =0A>>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org= /forums/swlist =0A>>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A>>=0A>= >=0A________________________________________________ =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>SIGNWRI= TING LIST INFORMATION =0A>>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator sutt= [log in to unmask] =0A>>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@listser= v.valenciacollege.edu =0A>>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www= .signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0A>>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive S= W List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-= L&A=3D1=0A>________________________________________________ =0A>SIGNWRITING= LIST INFORMATION =0A>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator sutton@si= gnwriting.org =0A>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] nciacollege.edu =0A>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwr= iting.org/forums/swlist =0A>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List M= essages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1= =0A>=0A>=0A________________________________________________ =0A>=0A>=0A>SIG= NWRITING LIST INFORMATION =0A>Valerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator s= [log in to unmask] =0A>Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l@lists= erv.valenciacollege.edu =0A>SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://ww= w.signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0A>Join, Leave or Change How You Receive S= W List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-= L&A=3D1=0A________________________________________________ =0ASIGNWRITING L= IST INFORMATION =0AValerie Sutton=0ASignWriting List moderator=0Asutton@sig= nwriting.org =0APost Messages to the SignWriting List:[log in to unmask] nciacollege.edu =0ASignWriting List Archives & Home Page=0Ahttp://www.signw= riting.org/forums/swlist =0AJoin, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List M= essages=0Ahttp://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D= 1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ---346883024-1615807220-1380468258=:53739 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="-346883024-1964739446-1380468258=:53739" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---346883024-1964739446-1380468258=:53739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ta= homa, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It'= s a group 6. </span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size= : 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: tr= ansparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color= : rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, se= rif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I had anoth= er graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we now on the same = PAGE and SHAPE as it were? </span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,= 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; backgr= ound-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new yo= rk', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<b= r>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: = tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fa= mily: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr= size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh= t:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]><br> <b><s= pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> [log in to unmask] GE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, = September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subje= ct:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div>= <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't= in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever = said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had placed b= efore. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were referring to for th= e specific handshape and rotation was 01-06-009-01-01-03. <div><b= r></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Char= les Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"= ><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backgrou= nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new yo= rk', times, serif; "><div><span>Adam, </span></div><div style=3D"color= : rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style:= normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span><br></span>= </div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color:= transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, s= erif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with th= e little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). T= hat makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL Sig= nPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign. </span>= </div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow= " ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai= lto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>240-764-5748<= br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style= =3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div= style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', time= s, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Ar= ial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <= <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blan= k" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> <b= ><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"= mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:= [log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <b= r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September = 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span><= /b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div class= =3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The sp= ecific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. :-)<div>= <br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Ch= arles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newlin= e"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backgr= ound-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 01-006-0= 09-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't= this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward an= d bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian s= ign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger now = being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible. </span></= div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt= o:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>240-764-5748<br= >Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"= font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div sty= le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, s= erif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"= > <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &l= t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" ta= rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanw= [log in to unmask]</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold= ;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask] CIACOLLEGE.EDU" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask] EGE.EDU">[log in to unmask]</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-= weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><s= pan style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> </= font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv= 1488667228">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#yiv1488667228 =0A p.yi= v1488667228MsoNormal, #yiv1488667228 li.yiv1488667228MsoNormal, #yiv14886= 67228 div.yiv1488667228MsoNormal=0A=09{margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;f= ont-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}=0A#yiv1488667228 a:link, = #yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228MsoHyperlink=0A=09{color:blue;text-decor= ation:underline;}=0A#yiv1488667228 a:visited, #yiv1488667228 span.yiv14= 88667228MsoHyperlinkFollowed=0A=09{color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}= =0A#yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228E-MailFormatvorlage17=0A=09{font-fami= ly:Arial;color:windowtext;}=0A#yiv1488667228 filtered {margin:70.85pt 70.= 85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}=0A#yiv1488667228 div.yiv1488667228Section1=0A=09{}= =0A-->=0A</style>=0A=0A=0A=0A<div>=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228Section1= ">=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aria= l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Hi = Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div c= lass=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang= =3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></= font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fa= ce=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ar= ial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... </span></font></div= > =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aria= l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &n= bsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font = size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo= nt-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials that= =0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div> = =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"= ><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbs= p;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font si= ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font= -family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset= the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80= =9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font = size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo= nt-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488= 667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style= =3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand= but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perfor= m this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div= class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lan= g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span><= /font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" f= ace=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: A= rial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1025" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"> </span></= font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fa= ce=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ar= ial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNorm= al"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size= : 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class= =3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"E= N-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">What do you think abo= ut my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></font></div> =0A=0A<d= iv class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span l= ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span= ></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:= Arial; "><img width=3D"127" height=3D"82" id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1026"= src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"></span></font></div> = =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"= ><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbs= p;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font si= ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font= -family: Arial; "> 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========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:25:42 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Comments: RFC822 error: <W> Invalid RFC822 field - "=". Rest of header flushed. From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-06-009-01-02-01 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="729328464-1283573487-1380468342=:30239" --729328464-1283573487-1380468342=:30239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MY MISTAKE people, can we change the subject line to reflect that?=C2=A0=0A= =C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask] w= riting moves business forward.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A = From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask] ACOLLEGE.EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: ha= nd shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AAdam,=C2=A0=0A=0AHow did th= at move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 0= 7 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A p= inky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is= still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0ACharles Butler=0Ac= [log in to unmask] writing moves business forwa= rd.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Adam Frost <icemandea= [log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask] =0ASent: Sunday, Septe= mber 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01= =0A =0A=0A=0AThe specific ID that is being asked for here is=C2=A001-06-009= -01-01-03. :-)=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butle= r wrote:=0A=0AIsn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is= Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't th= is be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and b= ent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign= language so it was already written. The point of the little finger now bei= ng shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0= =0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>240-764-5748=0A>Clear wri= ting moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_______________________________= _=0A> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>=0A>To: S= [log in to unmask] =0A>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 = AM=0A>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maur= een =C2=A0and friends, =0A>=C2=A0=0A>for some hours I am busy to look at BS= L signs... =0A>=C2=A0=0A>There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials= that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Jus= t a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset the hand shape some = of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Flat= -hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personal= ly I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) =0A= >=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>What do you think about my = attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>= =C2=A0=0A>All best =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Stefan =0A________________________________= ________________ =0A>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION =0A>Valerie Sutton=0ASign= Writing List moderator [log in to unmask] =0A>Post Messages to the Sign= Writing List: [log in to unmask] =0A>SignWriting List Archiv= es & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0A>Join, Leave or = Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu= /cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A>=0A>=0A_________________________________= _______________ =0A>=0A>=0A>SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION =0A>Valerie Sutton= =0ASignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] =0A>Post Messages to t= he SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] =0A>SignWriting List= Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0A>Join, Le= ave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacoll= ege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A__________________________________= ______________ =0ASIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION =0AValerie Sutton=0ASignWrit= ing List [log in to unmask] =0APost Messages to the SignWri= ting List:[log in to unmask] =0ASignWriting List Archives= & Home Page=0Ahttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0AJoin, Leave or C= hange How You Receive SW List Messages=0Ahttp://listserv.valenciacollege.ed= u/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1=0A=0A=0A__________________________________= ______________ =0ASIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION =0AValerie Sutton=0ASignWrit= ing List [log in to unmask] =0APost Messages to the SignWri= ting List:[log in to unmask] =0ASignWriting List Archives= & Home Page=0Ahttp://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist =0AJoin, Leave or C= hange How You Receive SW List Messages=0Ahttp://listserv.valenciacollege.ed= u/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --729328464-1283573487-1380468342=:30239 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="729328464-1088843095-1380468342=:30239" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --729328464-1088843095-1380468342=:30239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ta= homa, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>MY MISTAKE people, = can we change the subject line to reflect that? </span></div><div></di= v><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>[log in to unmask]<br>240-7= 64-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div= style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "= > <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york'= , times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face= =3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Charles B= utler <[log in to unmask]><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: b= old;">To:</span></b> [log in to unmask] <br> <b><span style= =3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:05 A= M<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand sh= ape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><= div id=3D"yiv2725739140"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background= -color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york= ', times, serif; "><div><span>Adam, </span></div><div style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: n= ormal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span><br></span></= div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: t= ransparent; font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, ser= if; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the = little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). Th= at makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL Sign= Puddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign. </span><= /div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves = business forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font= -family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt= ; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"= ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"f= ont-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]><= br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> [log in to unmask] CIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> S= unday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"= >Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> = </div> <div class=3D"yiv2725739140y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv272573= 9140"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-0= 1-01-03. :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 201= 3, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv2725739140Apple-interchange-new= line"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); bac= kground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'n= ew york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 01-00= 6-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the lit= tle finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the litt= le finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is= used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of th= e little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and vis= ible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>= <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_= blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a= ><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></= div>=20 <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, ser= if; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new = york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2"= face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stef= an Woehrmann <<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBA= ERDENSCHRIFT.DE" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDEN= SCHRIFT.DE">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> <b><span style= =3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto= :[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SW-L@L= ISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">[log in to unmask]</a> <br> <b>= <span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 20= 13 6:46 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> han= d shape BSL 9<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv2725739140y_msg_container= "><br><div id=3D"yiv2725739140">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#yiv27= 25739140 =0A p.yiv2725739140MsoNormal, #yiv2725739140 li.yiv2725739140= MsoNormal, #yiv2725739140 div.yiv2725739140MsoNormal=0A=09{margin:0cm;mar= gin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}=0A#yiv2= 725739140 a:link, #yiv2725739140 span.yiv2725739140MsoHyperlink=0A=09{c= olor:blue;text-decoration:underline;}=0A#yiv2725739140 a:visited, #yiv272= 5739140 span.yiv2725739140MsoHyperlinkFollowed=0A=09{color:purple;text-de= coration:underline;}=0A#yiv2725739140 span.yiv2725739140E-MailFormatvorla= ge17=0A=09{font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;}=0A#yiv2725739140 filtered = {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}=0A#yiv2725739140 div.yiv27257391= 40Section1=0A=09{}=0A-->=0A</style>=0A=0A=0A=0A<div>=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv= 2725739140Section1">=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size= =3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f= amily: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, </span></font>= </div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D= "Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; = "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><= font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10p= t; font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... <= /span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size= =3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f= amily: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv27257391= 40MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"= font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2= =80=93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) <= /span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size= =3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f= amily: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv27257391= 40MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"= font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in th= e actual symbol=0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing= =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739= 140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D= "font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<= div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ..= . or five-hand but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I hav= e problems to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></fo= nt></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face= =3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aria= l; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal= "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: = 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv2725= 739140_x0000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]">&n= bsp; </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"= ><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 1= 0pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"= yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB= " style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></di= v> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Ari= al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Wh= at do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></f= ont></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fac= e=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ari= al; "> </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNorma= l"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:= 10pt; 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name=01-06-009-01-02-01.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Disposition: inline; filename=01-06-009-01-02-01.png iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABQAAAAeAgMAAABRfNb4AAAACVBMVEX+AAD///8AAAAt8pt5AAAA AXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAC9JREFUCJljYOBiAAEMkouLi0Jy1apVK2Dk0lAYyYVEaiCRCxDkqgYkkgFK IpkGAHz2J/sJAMwVAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --729328464-1088843095-1380468342=:30239-- --729328464-1283573487-1380468342=:30239-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:29:05 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: AW: hand shape BSL 9 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28DF524F-1946-454A-BF55-8DF06532E611" --Apple-Mail=_28DF524F-1946-454A-BF55-8DF06532E611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If you wanted to be very specific or differentiate between the pinky = doing various things, then you would have to construct the symbol. The = symbol that I showed you was just one that I would use for everyday = writing to specify that handshape since it probably wouldn't have = something else that would look like it. This could be a possible construction of one such variation where the = knuckle is raised more than "normal". Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann wrote: > I understand... the Digitus minimus (manus), is still in contact with = the palm. ...But what if not??? Uuups- ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_28DF524F-1946-454A-BF55-8DF06532E611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">If = you wanted to be very specific or differentiate between the pinky doing = various things, then you would have to construct the symbol. The symbol = that I showed you was just one that I would use for everyday writing to = specify that handshape since it probably wouldn't have something else = that would look like it.<div><br></div><div>This could be a possible = construction of one such variation where the knuckle is raised more than = "normal".</div><div><img = src=3D"http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=3DM15x12S= 18e02n15xn11S19702n3xn6" = border=3D"0"></div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div><div>= <div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = font-size: 16px; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span = lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: = navy; ">I understand... the<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></span><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; = font-size: 16px; "><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Digitus minimus (manus), = is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if not??? = Uuups-</span></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= ________________________________________________ <p> <p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] <p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] <p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_28DF524F-1946-454A-BF55-8DF06532E611-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:30:57 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-06-009-01-02-01 (my error) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C78FEB43-3114-48A1-9C27-E88F20FCEB21" --Apple-Mail=_C78FEB43-3114-48A1-9C27-E88F20FCEB21 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I believe we are. ;-) Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote: > Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=20 >=20 > I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we = now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Charles Butler > [log in to unmask] > 240-764-5748 > Clear writing moves business forward. >=20 > From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 >=20 > It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't = believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject = line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the = ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20 >=20 > Adam >=20 > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >=20 >> Adam,=20 >>=20 >> How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little = finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That = makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL = SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20 >> =20 >> Charles Butler >> [log in to unmask] >> 240-764-5748 >> Clear writing moves business forward. >>=20 >> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 >>=20 >> The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-) >>=20 >> Adam >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >>=20 >>> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under = the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this = be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and = bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian = sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger = now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20 >>> =20 >>> Charles Butler >>> [log in to unmask] >>> 240-764-5748 >>> Clear writing moves business forward. >>>=20 >>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM >>> Subject: hand shape BSL 9 >>>=20 >>> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, >>> =20 >>> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... >>> =20 >>> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of = how to sign the numbers ...;-)) >>> =20 >>> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand = shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 >>> =20 >>> Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( = personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much = effort) >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> All best >>> =20 >>> Stefan >>> ________________________________________________ >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >> ________________________________________________ >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________ >>=20 >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_C78FEB43-3114-48A1-9C27-E88F20FCEB21 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A34E5DA1-8005-4E79-ACF0-0FF284926AC4"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_A34E5DA1-8005-4E79-ACF0-0FF284926AC4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I = believe we are. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On = Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div = style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new = york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a = group 6. </span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: = transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; = "><span>I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. = Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were? </span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; = "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: = transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> = <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: = bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - = 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div = class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't in = group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever = said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had = placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were = referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03. <div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><= div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: = rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', = times, serif; "><div><span>Adam, </span></div><div style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; = font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; = "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: = tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 = (signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring = finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just = opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an = 01-07 sign. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a = rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"= href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> = <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> = Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - = 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div = class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here = is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at = 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: = rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', = times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under = 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. = Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger = forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used = in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of the = little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and = visible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann <<a = rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> = Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> = </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv1488667228"> =20 =20 <style> <!-- #yiv1488667228 =20 p.yiv1488667228MsoNormal, #yiv1488667228 li.yiv1488667228MsoNormal, = #yiv1488667228 div.yiv1488667228MsoNormal = {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times = New Roman";} #yiv1488667228 a:link, #yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1488667228 a:visited, #yiv1488667228 = span.yiv1488667228MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228E-MailFormatvorlage17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;} #yiv1488667228 filtered {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} #yiv1488667228 div.yiv1488667228Section1 {} --> </style> <div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228Section1"> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey = bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to = much effort) </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" = id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1025" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"> = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct = this hand shape? </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"127" height=3D"82" = id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1026" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"></span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">All best </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Stefan </span></font></div>=20 </div> </div> ________________________________________________ <div> </div><div> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION </div><div> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> </div><div> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a rel=3D"nofollow" 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-0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-06-009-01-02-01 (my error) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_407D765A-AD65-4227-8C84-E4EB92F3E814" --Apple-Mail=_407D765A-AD65-4227-8C84-E4EB92F3E814 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I believe we are. ;-) Adam On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote: > Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=20 >=20 > I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we = now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Charles Butler > [log in to unmask] > 240-764-5748 > Clear writing moves business forward. >=20 > From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 >=20 > It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't = believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject = line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the = ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20 >=20 > Adam >=20 > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >=20 >> Adam,=20 >>=20 >> How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little = finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That = makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL = SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20 >> =20 >> Charles Butler >> [log in to unmask] >> 240-764-5748 >> Clear writing moves business forward. >>=20 >> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01 >>=20 >> The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-) >>=20 >> Adam >>=20 >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote: >>=20 >>> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under = the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this = be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and = bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian = sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger = now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20 >>> =20 >>> Charles Butler >>> [log in to unmask] >>> 240-764-5748 >>> Clear writing moves business forward. >>>=20 >>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM >>> Subject: hand shape BSL 9 >>>=20 >>> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, >>> =20 >>> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... >>> =20 >>> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of = how to sign the numbers ...;-)) >>> =20 >>> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand = shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 >>> =20 >>> Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey bent toward palm ( = personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much = effort) >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape? >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> All best >>> =20 >>> Stefan >>> ________________________________________________ >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >> ________________________________________________ >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________ >>=20 >> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 > ________________________________________________ > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton@signwriting.org >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_407D765A-AD65-4227-8C84-E4EB92F3E814 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_01042F97-4C9F-4B59-B974-7E0B47ECA809"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_01042F97-4C9F-4B59-B974-7E0B47ECA809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I = believe we are. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On = Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div = style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new = york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a = group 6. </span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: = transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; = "><span>I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. = Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were? </span></div><div = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new = york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; = "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: = transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> = <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: = bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - = 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div = class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't in = group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever = said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had = placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were = referring to for the specific handshape and rotation = was 01-06-009-01-01-03. <div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><= div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: = rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', = times, serif; "><div><span>Adam, </span></div><div style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; = font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; = "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: = 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: = tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 = (signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring = finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just = opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an = 01-07 sign. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost <<a = rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"= href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>><br> = <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> = Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - = 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div = class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here = is 01-06-009-01-01-03. = :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at = 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br = class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: = rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', = times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under = 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. = Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger = forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used = in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of the = little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and = visible. </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Charles = Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2= 40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business = forward.</div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:= 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div = dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann <<a = rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>><br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" = ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> = Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span = style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> = </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div = id=3D"yiv1488667228"> =20 =20 <style> <!-- #yiv1488667228 =20 p.yiv1488667228MsoNormal, #yiv1488667228 li.yiv1488667228MsoNormal, = #yiv1488667228 div.yiv1488667228MsoNormal = {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times = New Roman";} #yiv1488667228 a:link, #yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1488667228 a:visited, #yiv1488667228 = span.yiv1488667228MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1488667228 span.yiv1488667228E-MailFormatvorlage17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;} #yiv1488667228 filtered {margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;} #yiv1488667228 div.yiv1488667228Section1 {} --> </style> <div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228Section1"> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen and friends, = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual = symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or five-hand but pinkey = bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to = much effort) </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" = id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1025" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"> = </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct = this hand shape? </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"127" height=3D"82" = id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1026" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"></span></font></div>=20= <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">All best </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; "> </span></font></div>=20 <div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; ">Stefan </span></font></div>=20 </div> </div> ________________________________________________ <div> </div><div> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION </div><div> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank" = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> </div><div> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a rel=3D"nofollow" 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-0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Hand Symbol Construction ... Rootshapes and Action Fingers In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7E9FC0D5-9601-45C4-962E-9ADF6691EEEE" --Apple-Mail=_7E9FC0D5-9601-45C4-962E-9ADF6691EEEE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 SignWriting List September 29, 2013 Hello Everyone - Thank you to everyone for the discussion. The symbol that you have already discussed is the correct one, Adam - = 01-06-009-01-01-03 - Although it is fun to play around with symbols, the = ISWA 2010 is based on Rootshapes, that are defined, and the = 01-06-009-01-01-03 is following the Rootshapes properly =85 According to = the definitions of the Rootshapes, one cannot have a Square Rootshape = symbol and not have at least one finger touching the palm of the hand, = as you can see by this attached graphic. This graphic is taken from the = textbook: SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual, numbered pages 2 and 3 in the = book, and in the PDF it is the 12th & 13th pages=85 = http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0826_SignWriting_Hand_Symbols_M= anual_Sutton_Frost_2013.pdf I want to point out that there are actually three other Rootshapes not = listed here=85which we could discuss someday =85 One of them is related = to the Heel of Hand, which has another Rootshape - and the two others = are related to DanceWriting and MovementWriting hand symbols that are = not used in writing sign languages - Val ;-) ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_7E9FC0D5-9601-45C4-962E-9ADF6691EEEE Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9D5D4B0B-B369-4776-B120-1128DBDA7B87"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_9D5D4B0B-B369-4776-B120-1128DBDA7B87 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello = Everyone -</div><div>Thank you to everyone for the = discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>The symbol that you have already = discussed is the correct one, Adam - 01-06-009-01-01-03 = - Although it is fun to play around with symbols, the ISWA 2010 is = based on Rootshapes, that are defined, and the 01-06-009-01-01-03 = is following the Rootshapes properly =85 According to the definitions of = the Rootshapes, one cannot have a Square Rootshape symbol and not have = at least one finger touching the palm of the hand, as you can see by = this attached graphic. This graphic is taken from the textbook: = SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual, numbered pages 2 and 3 in the book, and = in the PDF it is the 12th & 13th pages=85 <a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0826_SignWriting_Hand_S= ymbols_Manual_Sutton_Frost_2013.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/archive/do= cs9/sw0826_SignWriting_Hand_Symbols_Manual_Sutton_Frost_2013.pdf</a></div>= <div><br></div><div>I want to point out that there are actually three = other Rootshapes not listed here=85which we could discuss someday =85 = One of them is related to the Heel of Hand, which has another = Rootshape - and the two others are related to DanceWriting and = MovementWriting hand symbols that are not used in writing sign languages = -</div><div><br></div><div>Val = ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img = height=3D"944" width=3D"1099" apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" = id=3D"145559b6-659d-4346-aa51-73ce4ea36b35" = 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Rootshapes and Action Fingers In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_693D6B29-A20F-4F1D-A7F2-E00E17ED0AEC" --Apple-Mail=_693D6B29-A20F-4F1D-A7F2-E00E17ED0AEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 SignWriting List September 29, 2013 On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann = <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the = Digitus minimus (manus), is still in contact with the palm. ...But what = if not??? Uuups- > Following the idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with = the flat hand =96 =93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would = touch the palm. ----------- Hello Stefan and Everyone - Thank you for this question, Stefan - and yes, that could be correct = depending on how close the tip of the bent finger is to the palm of the = hand... Following the definitions of the 2010 Rootshapes, as you can see by the = attached, Rootshape 01, 04 and 13 could all be used depending on how = close the tip of the bent finger is, to the palm of the hand. If the = bent finger is touching the palm the hand, then the Rootshape used for = that hand symbol is the Square or Tight Fist symbol, Rootshape 01. If = the bent finger has its tip close to the palm of the hand, but is = actually not touching, so the finger is in more of a curve - a relaxed = finger that maybe is trying to be a fist but cannot reach the palm of = the hand and does not touch=85that would be Rootshape 04 - using a = Circle Rootshape. But if the bent finger is only bent from the Middle = Joint and is really sticking up more and not near the palm of the hand, = then that would be taken from the 13th Rootshape - the Flat Hand=85 The = 2010 Rootshape structure is in two of our textbooks - The SignWriting = Hand Symbols Manual for the ISWA 2010 and the ASL Hand Symbols Manual. = The 2004 Rootshapes were described in Chapter 4 of The IMWA 2004 = Reference Manual =85but they were updated in 2010. ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_693D6B29-A20F-4F1D-A7F2-E00E17ED0AEC Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD2CAD12-C892-49AA-A33B-C0212824B81A"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_FD2CAD12-C892-49AA-A33B-C0212824B81A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>September = 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, = Stefan Woehrmann <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"Section1" = style=3D"page: Section1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" = color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: = 10pt; ">thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... = the </span></font><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Digitus minimus (manus), = is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if not??? = Uuups-<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = "> </span></font><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; ">Following the = idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with the flat hand =96 = =93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would touch the = palm.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>-----------</div= ><div><br></div><div>Hello Stefan and Everyone -</div><div>Thank you for = this question, Stefan - and yes, that could be correct depending on how = close the tip of the bent finger is to the palm of the = hand...</div><div><br></div><div>Following the definitions of the 2010 = Rootshapes, as you can see by the attached, Rootshape 01, 04 and 13 = could all be used depending on how close the tip of the bent finger is, = to the palm of the hand. If the bent finger is touching the palm the = hand, then the Rootshape used for that hand symbol is the Square or = Tight Fist symbol, Rootshape 01. If the bent finger has its tip close to = the palm of the hand, but is actually not touching, so the finger is in = more of a curve - a relaxed finger that maybe is trying to be a fist but = cannot reach the palm of the hand and does not touch=85that would be = Rootshape 04 - using a Circle Rootshape. But if the bent finger is only = bent from the Middle Joint and is really sticking up more and not near = the palm of the hand, then that would be taken from the 13th Rootshape - = the Flat Hand=85 The 2010 Rootshape structure is in two of our textbooks = - The <a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#HandSymbolsISW= A2010">SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual for the ISWA 2010</a> and = the <a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#HandSymbolsASL= ">ASL Hand Symbols Manual</a>. The 2004 Rootshapes were described in = Chapter 4 of <a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0144-SSS-Manual-2004.pd= f">The IMWA 2004 Reference Manual</a> =85but they were updated in = 2010.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di= v><img height=3D"944" width=3D"1099" apple-width=3D"yes" = apple-height=3D"yes" id=3D"806e39f9-0304-4e89-bf95-eec8ba65a70b" = src=3D"cid:D0AC9887-83C1-4D00-8C66-F607A7C32B4A"></div></body></html>= ________________________________________________ <p> <p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] <p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] <p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_FD2CAD12-C892-49AA-A33B-C0212824B81A Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:38:17 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: AW: hand shape BSL 9 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DC6CD1C0-E406-40B1-8FD3-10CA22A48FEB" --Apple-Mail=_DC6CD1C0-E406-40B1-8FD3-10CA22A48FEB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 SignWriting List September 29, 2013 Hi Stefan - Regarding the minute differences between the two symbols attached, I = would say they are the same symbol, but with different Styles or Font = designs - a little like Helvetica and Geneva - I am sure there will be = more and more Font Designers wanting to keep the symbols the same in = their meaning, but just change the "style" a little to make the writing = look unique - but both would generally be read the same - even if = someone thought that one had spread fingers and one did not, the chances = of the meaning being different between them, when reading signs, are = slight - I know you are an artist and a Font Designer yourself, so of course you = see these differences more than a lot of people - we are reading for = meaning here most of the time, and are not that focused on symbol design = but more on the SignSpellings and ways to write literature - which is a = different focus - Maybe in five or ten years we can re-visit the ISWA and add more symbols = etc, but right now our focus is on getting out large books of literature = and lots of Wikipedia articles written in ASL - I hope someday your students will start writing Wikipedia articles in = DGS - that will be an exciting new era! Val ;-) --------- On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann = <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > If you compare the two options I probably would vote for the second = graphic ;-)) > =20 > =20 > ISWA symbol > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > Possible new design > =20 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_DC6CD1C0-E406-40B1-8FD3-10CA22A48FEB Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1DEBE247-BED5-4FC0-8185-60FFA3959817"; type="text/html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail=_1DEBE247-BED5-4FC0-8185-60FFA3959817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Diso-8859-1"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hi = Stefan -</div><div>Regarding the minute differences between the two = symbols attached, I would say they are the same symbol, but with = different Styles or Font designs - a little like Helvetica and Geneva - = I am sure there will be more and more Font Designers wanting to keep the = symbols the same in their meaning, but just change the "style" a little = to make the writing look unique - but both would generally be read the = same - even if someone thought that one had spread fingers and one did = not, the chances of the meaning being different between them, when = reading signs, are slight -</div><div><br></div><div>I know you are an = artist and a Font Designer yourself, so of course you see these = differences more than a lot of people - we are reading for meaning here = most of the time, and are not that focused on symbol design but more on = the SignSpellings and ways to write literature - which is a different = focus -</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe in five or ten years we can = re-visit the ISWA and add more symbols etc, but right now our focus is = on getting out large books of literature and lots of Wikipedia articles = written in ASL -</div><div><br></div><div>I hope someday your students = will start writing Wikipedia articles in DGS - that will be an exciting = new era!</div><div><br></div><div>Val = ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><= div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER= DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times = New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; = text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><font = size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">If you = compare the two options I probably would vote for the second graphic = ;-))<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm = 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; 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= "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Possible = new design<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm = 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" = face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times = New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; = text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_C2E7CCD8-46AD-4624-8706-883A1828A333" --Apple-Mail=_C2E7CCD8-46AD-4624-8706-883A1828A333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 SignWriting List September 29, 2013 Hello Trevor - I am glad to know you like the footer, Trevor. It is a pleasure to hear from you again after so many years. I am = grateful to you, that you have archived all the SignWriting List = messages for so many years on your email programs and computers. In the = past, we lost some Archives (a section of Archive 4) because they = changed the SignWriting List to a new server at Valencia College years = ago, and in the process of that move, a portion of Archive 4 was lost. = We were lucky that the SignWriting List was being mirrored on another = separate web site called LinguistList.org, which is our Archive 3=85so = the lost messages in Archive 4 fortunately were not lost in Archive 3. = But nonetheless, I worry sometimes=85what would happen if = LinguistList.org stopped serving the world? So many important Lists = would lose their Archives=85including ours: SignWriting List Archives http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/ So to know you have a backup, Trevor, of all the messages from way back, = is a good feeling. May I ask, how much work would it be for you to = bundle all the archived messages you have, and send them to me privately = at [log in to unmask] ? Is that even possible? I do not want to burden you, but this would be really cool - If your = Archives are really going back to 1999, and it was not hard to send them = to me, I could re-post them as Archive 5 in the SignWriting List = Archives, on our web site, and that would preserve them on our site no = matter what other sites do in the future... If I am opening a can or worms to ask you for this, then just say "no" - = Technology is always harder than it sounds at first thought - If there = are any costs, please tell me - Is there anyone else who has been saving SignWriting List messages all = these years and feels it would be easy enough to bundle them and send = them to me?=20 Val ;-) [log in to unmask] ------- On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Trevor Jenkins <[log in to unmask]> = wrote: > I'm grateful you made it a footer. A couple of other = linguistic/language-realated lists I'm subscribe use headers and I have = to scroll half-way down the page before the actual content is visible. >=20 > Being "old school" and well just old I remember when emailers showed = more of the headers lines with a message than is done today. GMail only = shows sender and recipient, date and time, and Subject. Apple Mail gives = slightly more by default and the recipient can request more of those = hidden lines to be displayed. I checked the headers line on your email = and the following lines are included: > List-Help: <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L>,= > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > List-Unsubscribe: = <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > List-Subscribe: = <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > List-Owner: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > List-Archive: = <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L> > But I had to get GMail to show me that by using the "Show Original" = option.=20 >=20 > I have access to archives. Not only the one mentioned in the standard = header or the one mentioned in your footer but the one that GMail keeps = for me=96I don't delete messages from this list. There is a second = archive on one of my Linux machines when I was subscribed under a = different email address. There might even be some earlier messages = stored on an ancient neglected Windows 3.1 machine I used until 1999. = ;-) >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> = wrote: > SignWriting List > September 27, 2013 >=20 > Hello Trevor and Stefan - > Regarding the footer, or banner below, I didn't realize that some = software hides those automatically - maybe that is why Kim never saw the = banner on her device - It seems that it all depends on the software you = are using to view your email, as to how you receive your messages=85and = that varies greatly from member to member - >=20 > The only reason I added this footer is that others complained that = they couldn't find the SignWriting List Archives or they couldn't = remember how to change their own List settings and so forth, so that is = why I decided to do this=85if it is a burden over time, for most of you, = I can always take it away completely =85let's leave it for awhile and = see how it goes - >=20 > Do any of you access the Archives? We have four of them=85 >=20 > SignWriting List Archives > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > (or see the banner below) ha! >=20 > Now, I am so sorry you are having frustrations with viewing your own = posts, Stefan - I am not having that problem personally and I suspect, = since it is happening to you with all of the three email addresses you = have on the List, that it has something more to do with how your = computer or your email software is reacting the List messages - could = your email be placing your posts in your Spam filter? the question is = why=85 >=20 > Can you change email software,, Stefan? Use googlemail on the web for = example to see if you can see your own posts there? >=20 > but I will telephone Valencia College today to ask them if they know = what might be happening - >=20 > Thank you everyone! >=20 > Val ;-) >=20 > ---------- >=20 >=20 > On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Trevor Jenkins <[log in to unmask]> = wrote: >=20 >> Haven't posted in ages, so no idea if my posts will come back to me. = But then I use GMail and that has always threaded up my messages sent to = the list with messages sent from the list. >>=20 >> GMail also hides the footer by default letting me look at it when I = want/need to. What is appended now looks just the same as it always did. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Stefan W=F6hrmann = <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Hi Valerie, >>=20 >> I`m sorry - but I don=B4t get the copies of my own postings. >> I will send this message from another as well and let us see what = happens. >>=20 >> Stefan >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Regards, Trevor. >=20 > <>< Re: deemed! > ________________________________________________ >=20 > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION >=20 > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] >=20 > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: = [log in to unmask] >=20 > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page = http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist >=20 > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages = http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 >=20 ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_C2E7CCD8-46AD-4624-8706-883A1828A333 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello = Trevor -</div><div>I am glad to know you like the footer, = Trevor.</div><div><br></div><div>It is a pleasure to hear from you again = after so many years. I am grateful to you, that you have archived all = the SignWriting List messages for so many years on your email programs = and computers. In the past, we lost some Archives (a section of Archive = 4) because they changed the SignWriting List to a new server at Valencia = College years ago, and in the process of that move, a portion of Archive = 4 was lost. We were lucky that the SignWriting List was being mirrored = on another separate web site called <a = href=3D"http://LinguistList.org">LinguistList.org</a>, which is our = Archive 3=85so the lost messages in Archive 4 fortunately were not lost = in Archive 3. But nonetheless, I worry sometimes=85what would happen if = <a href=3D"http://LinguistList.org">LinguistList.org</a> stopped serving = the world? So many important Lists would lose their Archives=85including = ours:</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting List Archives</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.= org/forums/swlist/</a></div><div><br></div><div>So to know you have a = backup, Trevor, of all the messages from way back, is a good feeling. = May I ask, how much work would it be for you to bundle all the archived = messages you have, and send them to me privately at <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> ? Is = that even possible?</div><div><br></div><div>I do not want to burden = you, but this would be really cool - If your Archives are really going = back to 1999, and it was not hard to send them to me, I could re-post = them as Archive 5 in the SignWriting List Archives, on our web site, and = that would preserve them on our site no matter what other sites do in = the future...</div><div><br></div><div>If I am opening a can or worms to = ask you for this, then just say "no" - Technology is always harder than = it sounds at first thought - If there are any costs, please tell me = -</div><div><br></div><div>Is there anyone else who has been saving = SignWriting List messages all these years and feels it would be easy = enough to bundle them and send them to = me? </div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></div><di= v><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep = 28, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Trevor Jenkins <<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I'm grateful you made it a = footer. A couple of other linguistic/language-realated lists I'm = subscribe use headers and I have to scroll half-way down the page before = the actual content is visible.<br> <br></div>Being "old school" and well just old I remember when emailers = showed more of the headers lines with a message than is done today. = GMail only shows sender and recipient, date and time, and Subject. Apple = Mail gives slightly more by default and the recipient can request more = of those hidden lines to be displayed. I checked the headers line on = your email and the following lines are included:<br> <pre>List-Help: <<a = href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L">http:/= /listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L</a>>, <mailto:<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] LENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>?body=3DINFO%20SW-L> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L= [log in to unmask]</a>> List-Subscribe: <mailto:<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L-s= [log in to unmask]</a>> List-Owner: <mailto:<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L-request@LIS= TSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>> List-Archive: <<a = href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L">http:/= /listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L</a>></pre>But I = had to get GMail to show me that by using the "Show Original" option. = <br> <br></div>I have access to archives. Not only the one mentioned in the = standard header or the one mentioned in your footer but the one that = GMail keeps for me=96I don't delete messages from this list. There is a = second archive on one of my Linux machines when I was subscribed under a = different email address. There might even be some earlier messages = stored on an ancient neglected Windows 3.1 machine I used until 1999. = ;-)<br> </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On = Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Valerie Sutton <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">SignWriting List<div>September 27, = 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Trevor and Stefan -</div> <div>Regarding the footer, or banner below, I didn't realize that some = software hides those automatically - maybe that is why Kim never saw the = banner on her device - It seems that it all depends on the software you = are using to view your email, as to how you receive your messages=85and = that varies greatly from member to member -</div> <div><br></div><div>The only reason I added this footer is that others = complained that they couldn't find the SignWriting List Archives or they = couldn't remember how to change their own List settings and so forth, so = that is why I decided to do this=85if it is a burden over time, for most = of you, I can always take it away completely =85let's leave it for = awhile and see how it goes -</div> <div><br></div><div>Do any of you access the Archives? We have four of = them=85</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting List Archives</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a></div> <div><br></div><div>(or see the banner below) = ha!</div><div><br></div><div>Now, I am so sorry you are having = frustrations with viewing your own posts, Stefan - I am not having that = problem personally and I suspect, since it is happening to you with all = of the three email addresses you have on the List, that it has something = more to do with how your computer or your email software is reacting the = List messages - could your email be placing your posts in your Spam = filter? the question is why=85</div> <div><br></div><div>Can you change email software,, Stefan? Use = googlemail on the web for example to see if you can see your own posts = there?</div><div><br></div><div>but I will telephone Valencia College = today to ask them if they know what might be happening -</div> <div><br></div><div>Thank you everyone!</div><div><br></div><div>Val = ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div = class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 = AM, Trevor Jenkins <<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>> wrote:</div> <br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Haven't posted in = ages, so no idea if my posts will come back to me. But then I use GMail = and that has always threaded up my messages sent to the list with = messages sent from the list.<br> <br></div> GMail also hides the footer by default letting me look at it when I = want/need to. What is appended now looks just the same as it always = did.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Stefan W=F6hrmann = <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>></span> = wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left= -style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Valerie,<br> <br> I`m sorry - but I don=B4t get the copies of my own postings.<br> I will send this message from another as well and let us see what = happens.<br> <br> = Stefan<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></di= v><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div = class=3D"h5">________________________________________________ <div> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION </p><p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a> </p><p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" = target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a> </p><p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a> </p><p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a = href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A= =3D1" = target=3D"_blank">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3D= SW-L&A=3D1</a> </p><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><b= r><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Regards, Trevor.<br><br><>< Re: = deemed! </div> ________________________________________________ <div> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION </p><p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> </p><p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: <a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask] llege.edu</a> </p><p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page <a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist">http://www.signwriting.o= rg/forums/swlist</a> </p><p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages <a = href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A= =3D1">http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D= 1</a> </p></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= ________________________________________________ <p> <p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] <p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] <p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_C2E7CCD8-46AD-4624-8706-883A1828A333-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:04:58 -0700 Reply-To: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <[log in to unmask]> From: Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: DISSERTATIONS AND THESES About Or Using SignWriting Comments: cc: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DADF80A0-8CF5-4307-AEA8-F7A887D71526" --Apple-Mail=_DADF80A0-8CF5-4307-AEA8-F7A887D71526 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 SignWriting List September 30, 2013 DISSERTATIONS AND THESES About or Using SignWriting Dear SW List - There are dissertations and theses written about or using SignWriting = that have not gotten the proper attention on the SignWriting Web Site, = so everyday in the month of October, starting today, I am going to try = to post information about one of them. I believe the entire month will = have a post everyday, because I believe there are around 30 that have = not been listed yet on the SignWriting site - I may not know about all = of the scholars who have studied or used SignWriting in their documents, = so write here on the SignWriting List if you would like to tell us about = your research. It is a big gift, that so many people have dedicated years of their = lives to researching and developing software and other projects to = benefit the SignWriting community=85 Thank you to everyone=85 Today I am posting information about Dr. Ronnie Fagundes de Brito's = dissertation from Brazil, in software development. See below: -------------------- DISSERTATION 2012 SignWriting CaptionMaker Software by Ronnie Fagundes de Brito Download Dissertation in PDF: = http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_SignWritin= g_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Brito.pdf Dissertation Title "MODELO DE REFER=CANCIA PARA DESENVOLVIMENTO DE ARTEFATOS DE APOIO AO = ACESSO DOS SURDOS AO AUDIOVISUAL" Tese de doutorado submetida ao Programa de Engenharia e Gest=E3o do = Conhecimento da Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina para a obten=E7=E3o= do Grau de Doutor em Engenharia e Gest=E3o do Conhecimento = Florian=F3polis 2012=20 UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE SANTA CATARINA=20 DEPARTAMENTO DE ENGENHARIA E GEST=C3O DO CONHECIMENTO=20 The "SignWriting CaptionMaker" software is a Moodle 1.9 activity plugin. = It needs to be installed in a Moodle 1.9 environment.=20 Allows adding SignWriting subtitles to on-line videos, as well as other = types of subtitles, as demonstrated in these YouTube videos: Demonstrations on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A Software Download on Github: https://github.com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher Contact: Ronnie Fagundes de Brito [log in to unmask] I will be creating a web page on Ronnie's work today and will write = again with the new link - Val ;-)= ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_DADF80A0-8CF5-4307-AEA8-F7A887D71526 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = "><div>SignWriting List</div><div>September 30, = 2013</div><div><br></div><div>DISSERTATIONS AND THESES About or = Using SignWriting</div><div><br></div><div>Dear SW List = -</div><div>There are dissertations and theses written about or using = SignWriting that have not gotten the proper attention on the SignWriting = Web Site, so everyday in the month of October, starting today, I am = going to try to post information about one of them. I believe the entire = month will have a post everyday, because I believe there are around 30 = that have not been listed yet on the SignWriting site - I may not know = about all of the scholars who have studied or used SignWriting in their = documents, so write here on the SignWriting List if you would like to = tell us about your research.</div><div><br></div><div>It is a big gift, = that so many people have dedicated years of their lives to researching = and developing software and other projects to benefit the SignWriting = community=85 Thank you to everyone=85</div><div><br></div><div>Today I = am posting information about Dr. Ronnie Fagundes de Brito's = dissertation from Brazil, in software development. See = below:</div><div><br></div><div>--------------------</div><div><br></div><= div>DISSERTATION 2012</div><div>SignWriting CaptionMaker = Software by Ronnie Fagundes de = Brito</div><div><br></div><div>Download Dissertation in = PDF:</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_Si= gnWriting_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Brito.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/ar= chive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_SignWriting_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Bri= to.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = ">Dissertation Title</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">"MODELO DE = REFER=CANCIA PARA DESENVOLVIMENTO DE ARTEFATOS DE APOIO AO ACESSO DOS = SURDOS AO AUDIOVISUAL"</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">Tese de = doutorado submetida ao Programa de Engenharia e Gest=E3o do Conhecimento = da Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina para a obten=E7=E3o do Grau de = Doutor em Engenharia e Gest=E3o do = Conhecimento Florian=F3polis 2012 </div></div></div><div><b= r></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE SANTA = CATARINA </div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">DEPARTAMENTO DE = ENGENHARIA E GEST=C3O DO = CONHECIMENTO </div></div><div><br></div><div>The <span = style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); = ">"SignWriting CaptionMaker"</span> software is a Moodle 1.9 = activity plugin. It needs to be installed in a Moodle 1.9 = environment. </div><div><div>Allows adding SignWriting subtitles to = on-line videos, as well as other types of subtitles, as demonstrated in = these YouTube videos:</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>Demonstrations = on YouTube:</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><div>Software = Download on Github:</div><div><a = href=3D"https://github.com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher">https://github.= com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>Cont= act:</div><div>Ronnie Fagundes de Brito</div><div><a = href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></div><di= v><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: 'Times New = Roman'; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">I = will be creating a web page on Ronnie's work today and will write again = with the new link -</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; "><br></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; ">Val ;-)</div></div></body></html>= ________________________________________________ <p> <p> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION <p> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] <p> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] <p> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist <p> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3DSW-L&A=3D1 --Apple-Mail=_DADF80A0-8CF5-4307-AEA8-F7A887D71526--