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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 -0700
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If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this symbol:

It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)

Adam

> On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" <stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDEN=
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> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,
> =20
> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...=20
> =20
> There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials that show a variety of h=
ow to sign the numbers ...;-))=20
> =20
> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape som=
e of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D
> =20
> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally I ha=
ve problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)
> =20
> <image001.jpg> =20
> =20
> =20
> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
> =20
> <image003.gif>
> =20
> =20
> =20
> All best
> =20
> Stefan
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pes manual, you'll find this symbol:</div><div><img src=3D"cid:/page172image=
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v><div>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</d=
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nn" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrma=
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tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, <o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... <=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials=
 that
show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbo=
l
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=
=9D <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Flat-hand ... or&nbsp; five-hand&nbsp; but pinkey b=
ent toward
palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much=

effort) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">What do you think about my attempt to construct th=
is
hand shape? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial">All best <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:
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Subject:      Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
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The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. :-)

Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under =
the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this =
be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and =
bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian =
sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger =
now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20
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> Charles Butler
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> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM
> Subject: hand shape BSL 9
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> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,
> =20
> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...
> =20
> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of =
how to sign the numbers ...;-))
> =20
> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape =
some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94
> =20
> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally =
I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)
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>  =20
> =20
> =20
> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
> =20
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> =20
> =20
> =20
> All best
> =20
> Stefan
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The =
specific ID that is being asked for here is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at =
6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new =
york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Isn't this already covered =
under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the =
use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 =
which shows the little finger forward and bent with the other fingers =
straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was =
already written. The point of the little finger now being shown is that =
it is down and bent, not up and =
visible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
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dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> =
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set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 =
</span></font></div>=20

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font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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bent toward
palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to =
much
effort) </span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct =
this
hand shape? </span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">All best </span></font></div>=20

<div class=3D"yiv7670809995MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div>=20

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All the rotations are already there. If you mean an entry into =
SignPuddle for BSL 9, anyone could do that. It doesn't have to be just =
me since it is an open dictionary. If you don't know how to use =
SignPuddle, I'm sure we can help you. ;-)

Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Maureen Doyle wrote:

> Hello ADAM=20
> If you have time  Please  Could you add this symbol on its side..  to =
represent   9   in  to Sign bank.=20
> =20
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>     Maureen=20
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> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this =
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> It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)
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> Adam
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> On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" =
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> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...
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> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of =
how to sign the numbers ...;-))
> =20
> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape =
some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94
> =20
> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally =
I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)
> =20
> <image001.jpg> =20
> =20
> =20
> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
> =20
> <image003.gif>
> =20
> =20
> =20
> All best
> =20
> Stefan
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<html><head><Bass href=3D"x-msg://167/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">All the rotations are already there. If you mean an =
entry into SignPuddle for BSL 9, anyone could do that. It doesn't have =
to be just me since it is an open dictionary. If you don't know how to =
use SignPuddle, I'm sure we can help you. =
;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at =
6:48 AM, Maureen Doyle wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
class=3D"hmmessage" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; =
"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello ADAM<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>If you have time&nbsp; =
Please&nbsp; Could you add this symbol on its side..&nbsp; to =
represent&nbsp;&nbsp; 9 &nbsp; in&nbsp; to Sign bank.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>&nbsp;<br><br><br><div><d=
iv><div><img src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emsmiled.gif" =
height=3D"12" width=3D"12">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><img =
src=3D"http://graphics.hotmail.com/emthup.gif" height=3D"12" =
width=3D"12">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Lucida =
Handwriting, Cursive" size=3D"6"><font =
color=3D"#3300cc">Maureen&nbsp;</font></font></div></div></div><br><br><di=
v><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:39:23 =
-0700<br>From:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>Subject: =
Re: hand shape BSL 9<br>To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a><br><br><div>If you look at page 162 of the handshapes =
manual, you'll find this symbol:</div><div><img alt=3D"page172image1468" =
height=3D"391" width=3D"260" id=3D"29d17a91-ba56-420e-8543-ea4058321140" =
apple-width=3D"yes" apple-height=3D"yes" =
src=3D"cid:/page172image1468"></div><div>It is under group 6 in the =
ISWA. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div class=3D"ecxpage" =
title=3D"Page 172"><div class=3D"section"></div></div><div><br>On Sep =
29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div><div =
class=3D"ecxSection1"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: =
0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and =
friends,</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: =
0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL =
signs...</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: =
0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that =
show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-))</span></font></div><p =
class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: =
0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; ">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: =
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual =
symbol set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =
=93nine=94</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: =
0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or&nbsp; five-hand&nbsp; but pinkey =
bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape =
without to much effort)</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: =
0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; =
">&lt;image001.jpg&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></div><p =
class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: =
0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; ">&nbsp;</span></font></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: =
0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct =
this hand shape?</span></font></div><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: =
0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">&lt;image003.gif&gt;</span></font></div><p =
class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: =
0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" =
size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; ">&nbsp;</span></font></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: =
0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: =
0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
">&nbsp;</span></font></p><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; =
padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">All best</span></font></div><p =
class=3D"ecxMsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: =
0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Arial" =
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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: =
0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; =
">Stefan</span></font></div></div>________________________________________=
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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:14 +0200
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Hi Adam, Charles...

=20

thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the =
Digitus
minimus (manus),  is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if =
not???
Uuups-=20

=20

Following the idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with the =
flat
hand =96 =93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would touch the =
palm.=20

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I remember the discussion with a group of designers in our team. They =
looked
carefully at the symbols and discussed improvements in order to give all =
the
symbols a consistent look ...=20

=20

Perhaps this symbol would / should become a candidate for that .smile.  =
The
professional designers would ask for the reason that the thumb is of
different lenght and angle compared to other similar symbols.

=20

I myself have a problem that compared with many, many other symbols of =
the
ISWA  the line of the index is not at the same level of the line of the
square. This may be a reason that I could not find a symbol that I was
looking for.=20

=20

If you compare the two options I probably would vote for the second =
graphic
;-))=20

=20

=20

ISWA symbol=20

=20



=20

=20

Possible new design=20

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=20

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=20

All best=20

Stefan=20

=20

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. September 2013 15:39
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: Re: hand shape BSL 9

=20

If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find this =
symbol:

page172image1468

It is under group 6 in the ISWA. ;-)

=20

Adam


On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, "Stefan Woehrmann"
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Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,=20

=20

for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...=20

=20

There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of how =
to
sign the numbers ...;-))=20

=20

Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand shape =
some
of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94=20

=20

Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally I =
have
problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)=20

=20

<image001.jpg>  =20

=20

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What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?=20

=20

<image003.gif>

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All best=20

=20

Stefan=20

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comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the </span></font><span
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constraction
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Valerie
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discussion
with a group of designers in our team. They looked carefully at the =
symbols and
discussed improvements in order to give all the symbols a consistent =
look ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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symbol would
/ should become a candidate for that .smile. =A0The professional =
designers would
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compared to
other similar symbols.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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that I
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lang=3DEN-GB
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lang=3DEN-GB
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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>All best =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Stefan =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>ACOLLEGE.EDU]
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Im Auftrag von </span></b>Adam =
Frost<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Sonntag, 29. =
September
2013 15:39<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>An:</span></b>
[log in to unmask]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: hand shape =
BSL 9</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>If you look at page 162 of the handshapes manual, you'll find =
this
symbol:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><img width=3D52 height=3D78 id=3D"_x0000_i1025"
src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]" =
alt=3Dpage172image1468><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>It is under group 6 in the ISWA. =
;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:46 AM, &quot;Stefan Woehrmann&quot; &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAE=
RDENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>for some hours I am busy to look at BSL =
signs... <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There are various online-video &#8211; =
tutorials that
show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just a question ... do we have in the actual =
symbol
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =
&#8220;nine&#8221; <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Flat-hand ... or&nbsp; five-hand&nbsp; but =
pinkey
bent toward palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape
without to much effort) <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&lt;image001.jpg&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
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>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
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>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What do you think about my attempt to =
construct this
hand shape? <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
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>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&lt;image003.gif&gt;<u1:p></u1:p></span></font>=
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
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>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
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>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>All best =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><u1:p>&nbsp;</u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Stefan =
<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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Adam,=C2=A0=0A=0AHow did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with=
 the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger=
). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL=
 SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2=A0=0A=
=C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask] w=
riting moves business forward.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A =
From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]
.EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: hand shape=
 BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AThe specific ID that is being asked=
 for here is=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03. :-)=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013=
, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A=0AIsn't this already covered under 0=
1-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the=
 little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the =
little finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe i=
t is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point o=
f the little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and=
 visible.=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>=
240-764-5748=0A>Clear writing moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>______=
__________________________=0A> From: Stefan Woehrmann <stefanwoehrmann@GEBA=
ERDENSCHRIFT.DE>=0A>To: [log in to unmask] =0A>Sent: Sunday,=
 September 29, 2013 6:46 AM=0A>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =
=0A>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen =C2=A0and friends, =0A>=C2=A0=0A>for some hou=
rs I am busy to look at BSL signs... =0A>=C2=A0=0A>There are various online=
-video =E2=80=93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers=
 ...;-)) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=
=0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=
=E2=80=9D =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Flat-hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey b=
ent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape w=
ithout to much=0Aeffort) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A=
>What do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>=C2=
=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>All best =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Stefan =0A_____=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ta=
homa, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span><=
/div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahom=
a, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: nor=
mal; "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:=
 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: tra=
nsparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs th=
at differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate=
 with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. =
I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an=
 01-07 sign.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles But=
ler<br>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves busi=
ness forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt;
 font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div di=
r=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;[log in to unmask]
&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SW-L@LISTSERV=
.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span=
></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight=
: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> =
</font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323"=
><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-=
03. :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at=
 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv7211807323Apple-interc=
hange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0);
 background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma=
, 'new york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 0=
1-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the=
 little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the =
little finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe i=
t is used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point o=
f the little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and=
 visible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles Butler=
<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
om</a><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><=
br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', =
times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new rom=
an',
 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b=
> Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrman=
[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEB=
AERDENSCHRIFT.DE">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:S=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <br=
> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 2=
9, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b=
> hand shape BSL 9<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv7211807323y_msg_cont=
ainer"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#=
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 face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:=
 Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, </span></font></div>=
 =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nb=
sp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font s=
ize=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fon=
t-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... </span>=
</font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNo=
rmal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-si=
ze: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tu=
torials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></f=
ont></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fac=
e=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ari=
al; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNorma=
l"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual s=
ymbol=0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9C=
nine=E2=80=9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNorm=
al"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size=
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=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or&nbsp=
; five-hand&nbsp; but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problem=
s to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></font></div>=
 =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial=
"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nb=
sp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font s=
ize=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fon=
t-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv7211807323_x0=
000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv7211807323MsoNormal"><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font=
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7323MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
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pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">What do =
you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></font></=
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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:21:10 -0700
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It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't =
believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject =
line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the =
ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20

Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Adam,=20
>=20
> How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little =
finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That =
makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL =
SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20
> =20
> Charles Butler
> [log in to unmask]
> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
>=20
> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
>=20
> The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)
>=20
> Adam
>=20
> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>=20
>> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under =
the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this =
be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and =
bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian =
sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger =
now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20
>> =20
>> Charles Butler
>> [log in to unmask]
>> 240-764-5748
>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>=20
>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM
>> Subject: hand shape BSL 9
>>=20
>> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,
>> =20
>> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...
>> =20
>> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of =
how to sign the numbers ...;-))
>> =20
>> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand =
shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94
>> =20
>> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( personally =
I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much effort)
>> =20
>>  =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
>> =20
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> All best
>> =20
>> Stefan
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It =
isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe =
I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that =
was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that =
people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><=
div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new =
york, times, =
serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; =
"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>How did that move from a 06 =
(signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that =
differentiate with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not =
a ring finger. I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an =
01-06 sign not an 01-07 =
sign.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt;
 font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', =
times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> =
Adam Frost &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - =
01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv7211807323"><div>The =
specific ID that is being asked for here is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at =
6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv7211807323Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
 background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already =
covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that =
govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's =
Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and bent with the other =
fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language so it =
was already written. The point of the little finger now being shown is =
that it is down and bent, not up and =
visible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman',
 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt;<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> =
Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> =
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show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20=


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symbol
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 =
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bent toward
palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to =
much
effort) </span></font></div>=20

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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct =
this
hand shape? </span></font></div>=20

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Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=C2=A0=0A=0AI had another graphic for anothe=
r discussion right next to it. Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it =
were?=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask]
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SERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM=0ASub=
ject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AIt isn't in gro=
up 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever said it=
 was an 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had p=
laced before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were referring to=
 for the specific handshape and rotation was=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03.=C2=A0=
=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A=0A=
Adam,=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiat=
e with the little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring =
finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened t=
he ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2=
=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>240-764-5748=
=0A>Clear writing moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>__________________=
______________=0A> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>=0A>To: SW-L@LIST=
SERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU =0A>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0A>S=
ubject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>The speci=
fic ID that is being asked for here is=C2=A001-06-009-01-01-03. :-)=0A>=0A>=
=0A>Adam=0A>=0A>=0A>On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:=0A>=
=0A>Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under the=
 handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this be that=
 sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and bent with t=
he other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign language =
so it was already written. The point of the little finger now being shown i=
s that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Charle=
s Butler=0A>>[log in to unmask]>>240-764-5748=0A>>Clear writing mo=
ves business forward.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=
=0A>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>=0A>>To: =
[log in to unmask] =0A>>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:4=
6 AM=0A>>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Valerie, Ad=
am, Maureen =C2=A0and friends, =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>for some hours I am busy to =
look at BSL signs... =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>There are various online-video =E2=80=
=93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) =0A>=
>=C2=A0=0A>>Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset the h=
and shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D =0A=
>>=C2=A0=0A>>Flat-hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey bent toward=
=0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to =
much=0Aeffort) =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>What=
 do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>>=C2=A0=
=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>All best =0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Stefan =0A__=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ta=
homa, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It'=
s a group 6.&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size=
: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: tr=
ansparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color=
: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, se=
rif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I had anoth=
er graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we now on the same =
PAGE and SHAPE as it were?&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,=
 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; backgr=
ound-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new yo=
rk', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;
 "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles Butler<b=
r>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr=
 size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> [log in to unmask]
GE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, =
September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subje=
ct:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div>=
 <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't=
 in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever =
said it was an
 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had placed b=
efore. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were referring to for th=
e specific handshape and rotation was&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03.&nbsp;<div><b=
r></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Char=
les Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backgrou=
nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new yo=
rk', times, serif; "><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color=
: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style:=
 normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span><br></span>=
</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color:=
 transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, s=
erif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with th=
e
 little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). T=
hat makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL Sig=
nPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.&nbsp;</span>=
</div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mai=
lto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>240-764-5748<=
br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div=
 style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', time=
s, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Ar=
ial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;=
<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> <b=
><span
 style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> <b=
r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September =
29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span><=
/b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div class=
=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The sp=
ecific ID that is being asked for here is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03. :-)<div>=
<br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Ch=
arles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newlin=
e"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); backgr=
ound-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 01-006-0=
09-01-02-01. This
 is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't=
 this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward an=
d bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian s=
ign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger now =
being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.&nbsp;</span></=
div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>240-764-5748<br=
>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div sty=
le=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, s=
erif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"=
> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &l=
t;<a
 rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanw=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold=
;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
CIACOLLEGE.EDU" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
EGE.EDU">[log in to unmask]</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> </=
font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv=
1488667228">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#yiv1488667228    =0A p.yi=
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85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}=0A#yiv1488667228   div.yiv1488667228Section1=0A=09{}=
=0A-->=0A</style>=0A=0A=0A=0A<div>=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228Section1=
">=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aria=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Hi =
Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div c=
lass=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></=
font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ar=
ial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... </span></font></div=
> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aria=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &n=
bsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo=
nt-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials that=
=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div> =
=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbs=
p;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font=
-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset=
 the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=
=9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo=
nt-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488=
667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or&nbsp; five-hand=
&nbsp; but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I have problems to perfor=
m this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div=
 class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span><=
/font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" f=
ace=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: A=
rial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></=
font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ar=
ial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNorm=
al"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size=
: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=
=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">What do you think abo=
ut my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></font></div> =0A=0A<d=
iv class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span=
></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2"=
 face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:=
 Arial; "><img width=3D"127" height=3D"82" id=3D"yiv1488667228_x0000_i1026"=
 src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]"></span></font></div> =
=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbs=
p;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font=
-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv148866=
7228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=
=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">All best=
 </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv1488667228MsoNormal"><font siz=
e=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:25:42 -0700
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MY MISTAKE people, can we change the subject line to reflect that?=C2=A0=0A=
=C2=A0=0ACharles [log in to unmask] w=
riting moves business forward.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A =
From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]
ACOLLEGE.EDU =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: ha=
nd shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=0A =0A=0A=0AAdam,=C2=A0=0A=0AHow did th=
at move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little finger) to an 0=
7 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That makes no sense. A p=
inky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is=
 still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0ACharles Butler=0Ac=
[log in to unmask] writing moves business forwa=
rd.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Adam Frost <icemandea=
[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask] =0ASent: Sunday, Septe=
mber 29, 2013 10:17 AM=0ASubject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01=
=0A =0A=0A=0AThe specific ID that is being asked for here is=C2=A001-06-009=
-01-01-03. :-)=0A=0AAdam=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butle=
r wrote:=0A=0AIsn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is=
 Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't th=
is be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and b=
ent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian sign=
 language so it was already written. The point of the little finger now bei=
ng shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=
=0A>Charles Butler=0A>[log in to unmask]>240-764-5748=0A>Clear wri=
ting moves business forward.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_______________________________=
_=0A> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>=0A>To: S=
[log in to unmask] =0A>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 =
AM=0A>Subject: hand shape BSL 9=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Valerie, Adam, Maur=
een =C2=A0and friends, =0A>=C2=A0=0A>for some hours I am busy to look at BS=
L signs... =0A>=C2=A0=0A>There are various online-video =E2=80=93 tutorials=
 that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Jus=
t a question ... do we have in the actual symbol=0Aset the hand shape some =
of the signers prefer for signing =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Flat=
-hand ... or=C2=A0 five-hand=C2=A0 but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personal=
ly I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) =0A=
>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>What do you think about my =
attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? =0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=
=C2=A0=0A>All best =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Stefan =0A________________________________=
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ape BSL 9 -
 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><=
div id=3D"yiv2725739140"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background=
-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york=
', times, serif; "><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: n=
ormal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span><br></span></=
div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: t=
ransparent; font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, ser=
if; "><span>How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the =
little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). Th=
at makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL Sign=
Puddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.&nbsp;</span><=
/div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles
 Butler<br>[log in to unmask]<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves =
business forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font=
-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"=
ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;<=
br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> [log in to unmask]
CIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> S=
unday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> =
</div> <div class=3D"yiv2725739140y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv272573=
9140"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here is&nbsp;01-06-009-0=
1-01-03. :-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 201=
3, at 6:39 AM,
 Charles Butler wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv2725739140Apple-interchange-new=
line"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); bac=
kground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'n=
ew york', times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under 01-00=
6-009-01-02-01. This is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the lit=
tle finger. Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the litt=
le finger forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is=
 used in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of th=
e little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and vis=
ible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles Butler<br>=
<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a=
><br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.</div><div><br></=
div>=20
 <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, ser=
if; "> <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new =
york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2"=
 face=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stef=
an Woehrmann &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBA=
ERDENSCHRIFT.DE" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDEN=
SCHRIFT.DE">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SW-L@L=
ISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">[log in to unmask]</a> <br> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 20=
13 6:46 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> han=
d shape BSL 9<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"yiv2725739140y_msg_container=
"><br><div id=3D"yiv2725739140">=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A<style>=0A<!--=0A#yiv27=
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2725739140Section1">=0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, </span></font>=
</div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; =
"> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><=
font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10p=
t; font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... <=
/span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv27257391=
40MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =E2=
=80=93 tutorials that=0Ashow a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) <=
/span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv27257391=
40MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in th=
e actual symbol=0Aset the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing=
 =E2=80=9Cnine=E2=80=9D </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739=
140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<=
div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ..=
. or&nbsp; five-hand&nbsp; but pinkey bent toward=0Apalm ( personally I hav=
e problems to perform this hand shape without to much=0Aeffort) </span></fo=
nt></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Aria=
l; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal=
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial; "><img width=3D"126" height=3D"105" id=3D"yiv2725=
739140_x0000_i1025" src=3D"cid:[log in to unmask]">&n=
bsp;&nbsp; </span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 1=
0pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"=
yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB=
" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></di=
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al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Wh=
at do you think about my attempt to construct this=0Ahand shape? </span></f=
ont></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" fac=
e=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Ari=
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l"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:=
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span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-f=
amily: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<div class=3D"yiv27257391=
40MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"=
font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span></font></div> =0A=0A<d=
iv class=3D"yiv2725739140MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> &nbsp;</span=
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 face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:=
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If you wanted to be very specific or differentiate between the pinky =
doing various things, then you would have to construct the symbol. The =
symbol that I showed you was just one that I would use for everyday =
writing to specify that handshape since it probably wouldn't have =
something else that would look like it.

This could be a possible construction of one such variation where the =
knuckle is raised more than "normal".


Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann wrote:

> I understand... the Digitus minimus (manus),  is still in contact with =
the palm. ...But what if not??? Uuups-


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">If =
you wanted to be very specific or differentiate between the pinky doing =
various things, then you would have to construct the symbol. The symbol =
that I showed you was just one that I would use for everyday writing to =
specify that handshape since it probably wouldn't have something else =
that would look like it.<div><br></div><div>This could be a possible =
construction of one such variation where the knuckle is raised more than =
"normal".</div><div><img =
src=3D"http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?text=3DM15x12S=
18e02n15xn11S19702n3xn6" =
border=3D"0"></div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br></div><div><div>=
<div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
font-size: 16px; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span =
lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: =
navy; ">I understand... the<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></font></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
font-size: 16px; "><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Digitus minimus (manus), =
&nbsp;is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if not??? =
Uuups-</span></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=
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I believe we are. ;-)

Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=20
>=20
> I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we =
now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?=20
>=20
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> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
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> It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't =
believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject =
line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the =
ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20
>=20
> Adam
>=20
> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>=20
>> Adam,=20
>>=20
>> How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little =
finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That =
makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL =
SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20
>> =20
>> Charles Butler
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>>=20
>> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
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>> The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)
>>=20
>> Adam
>>=20
>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>=20
>>> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under =
the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this =
be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and =
bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian =
sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger =
now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20
>>> =20
>>> Charles Butler
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>>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>
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>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM
>>> Subject: hand shape BSL 9
>>>=20
>>> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,
>>> =20
>>> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...
>>> =20
>>> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of =
how to sign the numbers ...;-))
>>> =20
>>> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand =
shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94
>>> =20
>>> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( =
personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much =
effort)
>>> =20
>>>  =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
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>>> =20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
believe we are. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On =
Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new =
york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a =
group 6.&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; =
"><span>I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. =
Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; =
"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal;
 "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - =
01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't in =
group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever =
said it was an
 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had =
placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were =
referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><=
div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', =
times, serif; "><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; =
font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; =
"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: =
tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 =
(signs that differentiate with the
 little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring =
finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just =
opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an =
01-07 sign.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> =
Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - =
01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div =
id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here =
is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at =
6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', =
times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under =
01-006-009-01-02-01. This
 is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. =
Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger =
forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used =
in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of the =
little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and =
visible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt;<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
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Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span =
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font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, =
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font-family: Arial; ">for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs... =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">There are various online-video =96 tutorials that
show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20=


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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Arial; ">Just a question ... do we have in the actual =
symbol
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 =
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font-family: Arial; ">Flat-hand ... or&nbsp; five-hand&nbsp; but pinkey =
bent toward
palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to =
much
effort) </span></font></div>=20

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font-family: Arial; ">What do you think about my attempt to construct =
this
hand shape? </span></font></div>=20

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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 08:30:57 -0700
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I believe we are. ;-)

Adam

On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a group 6.=20
>=20
> I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. Are we =
now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?=20
>=20
>=20
> =20
> Charles Butler
> [log in to unmask]
> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
>=20
> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
>=20
> It isn't in group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't =
believe I ever said it was an 07. If you are talking of the subject =
line, that was what you had placed before. :-) I had only said that the =
ID that people were referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was 01-06-009-01-01-03.=20
>=20
> Adam
>=20
> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>=20
>> Adam,=20
>>=20
>> How did that move from a 06 (signs that differentiate with the little =
finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring finger). That =
makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just opened the ASL =
SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an 01-07 sign.=20
>> =20
>> Charles Butler
>> [log in to unmask]
>> 240-764-5748
>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>=20
>> From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: hand shape BSL 9 - 01-07-009-01-02-01
>>=20
>> The specific ID that is being asked for here is 01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)
>>=20
>> Adam
>>=20
>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>=20
>>> Isn't this already covered under 01-006-009-01-02-01. This is Under =
the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. Wouldn't this =
be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger forward and =
bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used in Ethiopian =
sign language so it was already written. The point of the little finger =
now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and visible.=20
>>> =20
>>> Charles Butler
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> 240-764-5748
>>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>>=20
>>> From: Stefan Woehrmann <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM
>>> Subject: hand shape BSL 9
>>>=20
>>> Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen  and friends,
>>> =20
>>> for some hours I am busy to look at BSL signs...
>>> =20
>>> There are various online-video =96 tutorials that show a variety of =
how to sign the numbers ...;-))
>>> =20
>>> Just a question ... do we have in the actual symbol set the hand =
shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94
>>> =20
>>> Flat-hand ... or  five-hand  but pinkey bent toward palm ( =
personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to much =
effort)
>>> =20
>>>  =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> What do you think about my attempt to construct this hand shape?
>>> =20
>>>=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> All best
>>> =20
>>> Stefan
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
believe we are. ;-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On =
Sep 29, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new =
york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Ah, MY MISTAKE. It's a =
group 6.&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; =
"><span>I had another graphic for another discussion right next to it. =
Are we now on the same PAGE and SHAPE as it were?&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new =
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; =
"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: =
transparent; font-style: normal;
 "><span><br></span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:21 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - =
01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>It isn't in =
group 7 because the pinky is the active finger. I don't believe I ever =
said it was an
 07. If you are talking of the subject line, that was what you had =
placed before. :-) I had only said that the ID that people were =
referring to for the specific handshape and rotation =
was&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><=
div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', =
times, serif; "><div><span>Adam,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; background-color: transparent; =
font-style: normal; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; =
"><span><br></span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
16px; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-family: =
tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "><span>How did that move from a 06 =
(signs that differentiate with the
 little finger) to an 07 (signs that differentiate with the ring =
finger). That makes no sense. A pinky is not a ring finger. I just =
opened the ASL SignPuddle today and it is still an 01-06 sign not an =
01-07 sign.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Adam Frost &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank"=
 href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> =
Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:17 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: hand shape BSL 9 - =
01-07-009-01-02-01<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"yiv1488667228y_msg_container"><br><div =
id=3D"yiv1488667228"><div>The specific ID that is being asked for here =
is&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03. =
:-)<div><br></div><div>Adam</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at =
6:39 AM, Charles Butler wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"yiv1488667228Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 12pt; font-family: tahoma, 'new york', =
times, serif; "><div><span>Isn't this already covered under =
01-006-009-01-02-01. This
 is Under the handshapes that govern the use of the little finger. =
Wouldn't this be that sign? That's Group 6 which shows the little finger =
forward and bent with the other fingers straight. I believe it is used =
in Ethiopian sign language so it was already written. The point of the =
little finger now being shown is that it is down and bent, not up and =
visible.&nbsp;</span></div><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Charles =
Butler<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a><br>2=
40-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business =
forward.</div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: tahoma, 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div =
dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt;<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LLEGE.EDU</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> =
Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:46 AM<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> hand shape BSL 9<br> =
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font-family: Arial; ">Hi Valerie, Adam, Maureen &nbsp;and friends, =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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show a variety of how to sign the numbers ...;-)) </span></font></div>=20=


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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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symbol
set the hand shape some of the signers prefer for signing =93nine=94 =
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bent toward
palm ( personally I have problems to perform this hand shape without to =
much
effort) </span></font></div>=20

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SignWriting List
September 29, 2013

Hello Everyone -
Thank you to everyone for the discussion.

The symbol that you have already discussed is the correct one, Adam - =
01-06-009-01-01-03 - Although it is fun to play around with symbols, the =
ISWA 2010 is based on Rootshapes, that are defined, and the =
01-06-009-01-01-03 is following the Rootshapes properly =85 According to =
the definitions of the Rootshapes, one cannot have a Square Rootshape =
symbol and not have at least one finger touching the palm of the hand, =
as you can see by this attached graphic. This graphic is taken from the =
textbook: SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual, numbered pages 2 and 3 in the =
book, and in the PDF it is the 12th & 13th pages=85 =
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I want to point out that there are actually three other Rootshapes not =
listed here=85which we could discuss someday =85  One of them is related =
to the Heel of Hand, which has another Rootshape - and the two others =
are related to DanceWriting and MovementWriting hand symbols that are =
not used in writing sign languages -

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Everyone -</div><div>Thank you to everyone for the =
discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>The symbol that you have already =
discussed is the correct one, Adam -&nbsp;01-06-009-01-01-03 =
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Rootshape - and the two others are related to DanceWriting and =
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On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann =
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> thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... the =
Digitus minimus (manus),  is still in contact with the palm. ...But what =
if not??? Uuups-
>  Following the idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with =
the flat hand =96 =93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would =
touch the palm.

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Hello Stefan and Everyone -
Thank you for this question, Stefan - and yes, that could be correct =
depending on how close the tip of the bent finger is to the palm of the =
hand...

Following the definitions of the 2010 Rootshapes, as you can see by the =
attached, Rootshape 01, 04 and 13 could all be used depending on how =
close the tip of the bent finger is, to the palm of the hand. If the =
bent finger is touching the palm the hand, then the Rootshape used for =
that hand symbol is the Square or Tight Fist symbol, Rootshape 01. If =
the bent finger has its tip close to the palm of the hand, but is =
actually not touching, so the finger is in more of a curve - a relaxed =
finger that maybe is trying to be a fist but cannot reach the palm of =
the hand and does not touch=85that would be Rootshape 04 - using a =
Circle Rootshape. But if the bent finger is only bent from the Middle =
Joint and is really sticking up more and not near the palm of the hand, =
then that would be taken from the 13th Rootshape - the Flat Hand=85 The =
2010 Rootshape structure is in two of our textbooks - The SignWriting =
Hand Symbols Manual for the ISWA 2010  and the ASL Hand Symbols Manual. =
The 2004 Rootshapes were described in Chapter 4 of The IMWA 2004 =
Reference Manual =85but they were updated in 2010.





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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SignWriting List<div>September =
29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, =
Stefan Woehrmann &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">stefanwoehrmann@GEBAER=
DENSCHRIFT.DE</a>&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"Section1" =
style=3D"page: Section1; "><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; ">thanks for your comment... Yes you are right ... I understand... =
the&nbsp;</span></font><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Digitus minimus (manus), =
&nbsp;is still in contact with the palm. ...But what if not??? =
Uuups-<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
">&nbsp;</span></font><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; ">Following the =
idea of =93hand shape constraction we would start with the flat hand =96 =
=93house=94 ... right Valerie ..since no finger would touch the =
palm.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>-----------</div=
><div><br></div><div>Hello Stefan and Everyone -</div><div>Thank you for =
this question, Stefan - and yes, that could be correct depending on how =
close the tip of the bent finger is to the palm of the =
hand...</div><div><br></div><div>Following the definitions of the 2010 =
Rootshapes, as you can see by the attached, Rootshape 01, 04 and 13 =
could all be used depending on how close the tip of the bent finger is, =
to the palm of the hand. If the bent finger is touching the palm the =
hand, then the Rootshape used for that hand symbol is the Square or =
Tight Fist symbol, Rootshape 01. If the bent finger has its tip close to =
the palm of the hand, but is actually not touching, so the finger is in =
more of a curve - a relaxed finger that maybe is trying to be a fist but =
cannot reach the palm of the hand and does not touch=85that would be =
Rootshape 04 - using a Circle Rootshape. But if the bent finger is only =
bent from the Middle Joint and is really sticking up more and not near =
the palm of the hand, then that would be taken from the 13th Rootshape - =
the Flat Hand=85 The 2010 Rootshape structure is in two of our textbooks =
- The&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#HandSymbolsISW=
A2010">SignWriting Hand Symbols Manual for the ISWA 2010</a>&nbsp; and =
the&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/books/index.html#HandSymbolsASL=
">ASL Hand Symbols Manual</a>. The 2004 Rootshapes were described in =
Chapter 4 of&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0144-SSS-Manual-2004.pd=
f">The IMWA 2004 Reference Manual</a>&nbsp;=85but they were updated in =
2010.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
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SignWriting List
September 29, 2013

Hi Stefan -
Regarding the minute differences between the two symbols attached, I =
would say they are the same symbol, but with different Styles or Font =
designs - a little like Helvetica and Geneva - I am sure there will be =
more and more Font Designers wanting to keep the symbols the same in =
their meaning, but just change the "style" a little to make the writing =
look unique - but both would generally be read the same - even if =
someone thought that one had spread fingers and one did not, the chances =
of the meaning being different between them, when reading signs, are =
slight -

I know you are an artist and a Font Designer yourself, so of course you =
see these differences more than a lot of people - we are reading for =
meaning here most of the time, and are not that focused on symbol design =
but more on the SignSpellings and ways to write literature - which is a =
different focus -

Maybe in five or ten years we can re-visit the ISWA and add more symbols =
etc, but right now our focus is on getting out large books of literature =
and lots of Wikipedia articles written in ASL -

I hope someday your students will start writing Wikipedia articles in =
DGS - that will be an exciting new era!

Val ;-)

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On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Stefan Woehrmann =
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> If you compare the two options I probably would vote for the second =
graphic ;-))
> =20
> =20
> ISWA symbol
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> =20
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> Possible new design
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">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hi =
Stefan -</div><div>Regarding the minute differences between the two =
symbols attached, I would say they are the same symbol, but with =
different Styles or Font designs - a little like Helvetica and Geneva - =
I am sure there will be more and more Font Designers wanting to keep the =
symbols the same in their meaning, but just change the "style" a little =
to make the writing look unique - but both would generally be read the =
same - even if someone thought that one had spread fingers and one did =
not, the chances of the meaning being different between them, when =
reading signs, are slight -</div><div><br></div><div>I know you are an =
artist and a Font Designer yourself, so of course you see these =
differences more than a lot of people - we are reading for meaning here =
most of the time, and are not that focused on symbol design but more on =
the SignSpellings and ways to write literature - which is a different =
focus -</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe in five or ten years we can =
re-visit the ISWA and add more symbols etc, but right now our focus is =
on getting out large books of literature and lots of Wikipedia articles =
written in ASL -</div><div><br></div><div>I hope someday your students =
will start writing Wikipedia articles in DGS - that will be an exciting =
new era!</div><div><br></div><div>Val =
;-)</div><div><br></div><div>---------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><=
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Date:         Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:46:00 -0700
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SignWriting List
September 29, 2013

Hello Trevor -
I am glad to know you like the footer, Trevor.

It is a pleasure to hear from you again after so many years. I am =
grateful to you, that you have archived all the SignWriting List =
messages for so many years on your email programs and computers. In the =
past, we lost some Archives (a section of Archive 4) because they =
changed the SignWriting List to a new server at Valencia College years =
ago, and in the process of that move, a portion of Archive 4 was lost. =
We were lucky that the SignWriting List was being mirrored on another =
separate web site called LinguistList.org, which is our Archive 3=85so =
the lost messages in Archive 4 fortunately were not lost in Archive 3. =
But nonetheless, I worry sometimes=85what would happen if =
LinguistList.org stopped serving the world? So many important Lists =
would lose their Archives=85including ours:

SignWriting List Archives
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/

So to know you have a backup, Trevor, of all the messages from way back, =
is a good feeling. May I ask, how much work would it be for you to =
bundle all the archived messages you have, and send them to me privately =
at [log in to unmask] ? Is that even possible?

I do not want to burden you, but this would be really cool - If your =
Archives are really going back to 1999, and it was not hard to send them =
to me, I could re-post them as Archive 5 in the SignWriting List =
Archives, on our web site, and that would preserve them on our site no =
matter what other sites do in the future...

If I am opening a can or worms to ask you for this, then just say "no" - =
Technology is always harder than it sounds at first thought - If there =
are any costs, please tell me -

Is there anyone else who has been saving SignWriting List messages all =
these years and feels it would be easy enough to bundle them and send =
them to me?=20

Val ;-)
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On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Trevor Jenkins <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:

> I'm grateful you made it a footer. A couple of other =
linguistic/language-realated lists I'm subscribe use headers and I have =
to scroll half-way down the page before the actual content is visible.
>=20
> Being "old school" and well just old I remember when emailers showed =
more of the headers lines with a message than is done today. GMail only =
shows sender and recipient, date and time, and Subject. Apple Mail gives =
slightly more by default and the recipient can request more of those =
hidden lines to be displayed. I checked the headers line on your email =
and the following lines are included:
> List-Help: <http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L>,=

>  <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> List-Unsubscribe: =
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> List-Subscribe: =
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> List-Owner: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> List-Archive: =
<http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L>
> But I had to get GMail to show me that by using the "Show Original" =
option.=20
>=20
> I have access to archives. Not only the one mentioned in the standard =
header or the one mentioned in your footer but the one that GMail keeps =
for me=96I don't delete messages from this list. There is a second =
archive on one of my Linux machines when I was subscribed under a =
different email address. There might even be some earlier messages =
stored on an ancient neglected Windows 3.1 machine I used until 1999. =
;-)
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
> SignWriting List
> September 27, 2013
>=20
> Hello Trevor and Stefan -
> Regarding the footer, or banner below, I didn't realize that some =
software hides those automatically - maybe that is why Kim never saw the =
banner on her device - It seems that it all depends on the software you =
are using to view your email, as to how you receive your messages=85and =
that varies greatly from member to member -
>=20
> The only reason I added this footer is that others complained that =
they couldn't find the SignWriting List Archives or they couldn't =
remember how to change their own List settings and so forth, so that is =
why I decided to do this=85if it is a burden over time, for most of you, =
I can always take it away completely =85let's leave it for awhile and =
see how it goes -
>=20
> Do any of you access the Archives? We have four of them=85
>=20
> SignWriting List Archives
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>=20
> (or see the banner below) ha!
>=20
> Now, I am so sorry you are having frustrations with viewing your own =
posts, Stefan - I am not having that problem personally and I suspect, =
since it is happening to you with all of the three email addresses you =
have on the List, that it has something more to do with how your =
computer or your email software is reacting the List messages - could =
your email be placing your posts in your Spam filter? the question is =
why=85
>=20
> Can you change email software,, Stefan? Use googlemail on the web for =
example to see if you can see your own posts there?
>=20
> but I will telephone Valencia College today to ask them if they know =
what might be happening -
>=20
> Thank you everyone!
>=20
> Val ;-)
>=20
> ----------
>=20
>=20
> On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Trevor Jenkins <[log in to unmask]> =
wrote:
>=20
>> Haven't posted in ages, so no idea if my posts will come back to me. =
But then I use GMail and that has always threaded up my messages sent to =
the list with messages sent from the list.
>>=20
>> GMail also hides the footer by default letting me look at it when I =
want/need to. What is appended now looks just the same as it always did.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Stefan W=F6hrmann =
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Hi Valerie,
>>=20
>> I`m sorry - but I don=B4t get the copies of my own postings.
>> I will send this message from another as well and let us see what =
happens.
>>=20
>> Stefan
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> Regards, Trevor.
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">SignWriting List<div>September 29, 2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello =
Trevor -</div><div>I am glad to know you like the footer, =
Trevor.</div><div><br></div><div>It is a pleasure to hear from you again =
after so many years. I am grateful to you, that you have archived all =
the SignWriting List messages for so many years on your email programs =
and computers. In the past, we lost some Archives (a section of Archive =
4) because they changed the SignWriting List to a new server at Valencia =
College years ago, and in the process of that move, a portion of Archive =
4 was lost. We were lucky that the SignWriting List was being mirrored =
on another separate web site called <a =
href=3D"http://LinguistList.org">LinguistList.org</a>, which is our =
Archive 3=85so the lost messages in Archive 4 fortunately were not lost =
in Archive 3. But nonetheless, I worry sometimes=85what would happen if =
<a href=3D"http://LinguistList.org">LinguistList.org</a> stopped serving =
the world? So many important Lists would lose their Archives=85including =
ours:</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting List Archives</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/">http://www.signwriting.=
org/forums/swlist/</a></div><div><br></div><div>So to know you have a =
backup, Trevor, of all the messages from way back, is a good feeling. =
May I ask, how much work would it be for you to bundle all the archived =
messages you have, and send them to me privately at <a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> ? Is =
that even possible?</div><div><br></div><div>I do not want to burden =
you, but this would be really cool - If your Archives are really going =
back to 1999, and it was not hard to send them to me, I could re-post =
them as Archive 5 in the SignWriting List Archives, on our web site, and =
that would preserve them on our site no matter what other sites do in =
the future...</div><div><br></div><div>If I am opening a can or worms to =
ask you for this, then just say "no" - Technology is always harder than =
it sounds at first thought - If there are any costs, please tell me =
-</div><div><br></div><div>Is there anyone else who has been saving =
SignWriting List messages all these years and feels it would be easy =
enough to bundle them and send them to =
me?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Val ;-)</div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></div><di=
v><br></div><div>-------</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep =
28, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Trevor Jenkins &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I'm grateful you made it a =
footer. A couple of other linguistic/language-realated lists I'm =
subscribe use headers and I have to scroll half-way down the page before =
the actual content is visible.<br>
<br></div>Being "old school" and well just old I remember when emailers =
showed more of the headers lines with a message than is done today. =
GMail only shows sender and recipient, date and time, and Subject. Apple =
Mail gives slightly more by default and the recipient can request more =
of those hidden lines to be displayed. I checked the headers line on =
your email and the following lines are included:<br>
<pre>List-Help: &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L">http:/=
/listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L</a>&gt;,
 &lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
LENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>?body=3DINFO%20SW-L&gt;
List-Unsubscribe: &lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;
List-Subscribe: &lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L-s=
[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;
List-Owner: &lt;mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">SW-L-request@LIS=
TSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>&gt;
List-Archive: &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L">http:/=
/listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?LIST=3DSW-L</a>&gt;</pre>But I =
had to get GMail to show me that by using the "Show Original" option. =
<br>
<br></div>I have access to archives. Not only the one mentioned in the =
standard header or the one mentioned in your footer but the one that =
GMail keeps for me=96I don't delete messages from this list. There is a =
second archive on one of my Linux machines when I was subscribed under a =
different email address. There might even be some earlier messages =
stored on an ancient neglected Windows 3.1 machine I used until 1999. =
;-)<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Valerie Sutton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">SignWriting List<div>September 27, =
2013</div><div><br></div><div>Hello Trevor and Stefan -</div>
<div>Regarding the footer, or banner below, I didn't realize that some =
software hides those automatically - maybe that is why Kim never saw the =
banner on her device - It seems that it all depends on the software you =
are using to view your email, as to how you receive your messages=85and =
that varies greatly from member to member -</div>
<div><br></div><div>The only reason I added this footer is that others =
complained that they couldn't find the SignWriting List Archives or they =
couldn't remember how to change their own List settings and so forth, so =
that is why I decided to do this=85if it is a burden over time, for most =
of you, I can always take it away completely =85let's leave it for =
awhile and see how it goes -</div>
<div><br></div><div>Do any of you access the Archives? We have four of =
them=85</div><div><br></div><div>SignWriting List Archives</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>(or see the banner below) =
ha!</div><div><br></div><div>Now, I am so sorry you are having =
frustrations with viewing your own posts, Stefan - I am not having that =
problem personally and I suspect, since it is happening to you with all =
of the three email addresses you have on the List, that it has something =
more to do with how your computer or your email software is reacting the =
List messages - could your email be placing your posts in your Spam =
filter? the question is why=85</div>
<div><br></div><div>Can you change email software,, Stefan? Use =
googlemail on the web for example to see if you can see your own posts =
there?</div><div><br></div><div>but I will telephone Valencia College =
today to ask them if they know what might be happening -</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you everyone!</div><div><br></div><div>Val =
;-)</div><div><br></div><div>----------</div><div =
class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:21 =
AM, Trevor Jenkins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Haven't posted in =
ages, so no idea if my posts will come back to me. But then I use GMail =
and that has always threaded up my messages sent to the list with =
messages sent from the list.<br>
<br></div>
GMail also hides the footer by default letting me look at it when I =
want/need to. What is appended now looks just the same as it always =
did.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Stefan W=F6hrmann =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" =
target=3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left=
-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Valerie,<br>
<br>
I`m sorry - but I don=B4t get the copies of my own postings.<br>
I will send this message from another as well and let us see what =
happens.<br>
<br>
=
Stefan<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></di=
v><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div =
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September 30, 2013

DISSERTATIONS AND THESES About or Using SignWriting

Dear SW List -
There are dissertations and theses written about or using SignWriting =
that have not gotten the proper attention on the SignWriting Web Site, =
so everyday in the month of October, starting today, I am going to try =
to post information about one of them. I believe the entire month will =
have a post everyday, because I believe there are around 30 that have =
not been listed yet on the SignWriting site - I may not know about all =
of the scholars who have studied or used SignWriting in their documents, =
so write here on the SignWriting List if you would like to tell us about =
your research.

It is a big gift, that so many people have dedicated years of their =
lives to researching and developing software and other projects to =
benefit the SignWriting community=85 Thank you to everyone=85

Today I am posting information about Dr. Ronnie Fagundes de Brito's =
dissertation from Brazil, in software development. See below:

--------------------

DISSERTATION 2012
SignWriting CaptionMaker Software by Ronnie Fagundes de Brito

Download Dissertation in PDF:
=
http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_SignWritin=
g_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Brito.pdf

Dissertation Title
"MODELO DE REFER=CANCIA PARA DESENVOLVIMENTO DE ARTEFATOS DE APOIO AO =
ACESSO DOS SURDOS AO AUDIOVISUAL"
Tese de doutorado submetida ao Programa de Engenharia e Gest=E3o do =
Conhecimento da Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina para a obten=E7=E3o=
 do Grau de Doutor em Engenharia e Gest=E3o do Conhecimento =
Florian=F3polis 2012=20

UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE SANTA CATARINA=20
DEPARTAMENTO DE ENGENHARIA E GEST=C3O DO CONHECIMENTO=20

The "SignWriting CaptionMaker" software is a Moodle 1.9 activity plugin. =
It needs to be installed in a Moodle 1.9 environment.=20
Allows adding SignWriting subtitles to on-line videos, as well as other =
types of subtitles, as demonstrated in these YouTube videos:

Demonstrations on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A

Software Download on Github:
https://github.com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher

Contact:
Ronnie Fagundes de Brito
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I will be creating a web page on Ronnie's work today and will write =
again with the new link -

Val ;-)=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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"><div>SignWriting List</div><div>September 30, =
2013</div><div><br></div><div>DISSERTATIONS AND THESES&nbsp;About or =
Using SignWriting</div><div><br></div><div>Dear SW List =
-</div><div>There are dissertations and theses written about or using =
SignWriting that have not gotten the proper attention on the SignWriting =
Web Site, so everyday in the month of October, starting today, I am =
going to try to post information about one of them. I believe the entire =
month will have a post everyday, because I believe there are around 30 =
that have not been listed yet on the SignWriting site - I may not know =
about all of the scholars who have studied or used SignWriting in their =
documents, so write here on the SignWriting List if you would like to =
tell us about your research.</div><div><br></div><div>It is a big gift, =
that so many people have dedicated years of their lives to researching =
and developing software and other projects to benefit the SignWriting =
community=85 Thank you to everyone=85</div><div><br></div><div>Today I =
am posting information about Dr.&nbsp;Ronnie Fagundes de Brito's =
dissertation from Brazil, in software development. See =
below:</div><div><br></div><div>--------------------</div><div><br></div><=
div>DISSERTATION 2012</div><div>SignWriting CaptionMaker =
Software&nbsp;by&nbsp;Ronnie Fagundes de =
Brito</div><div><br></div><div>Download Dissertation in =
PDF:</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_Si=
gnWriting_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Brito.pdf">http://www.signwriting.org/ar=
chive/docs9/sw0819_BR_Dissertation_SignWriting_Caption_Software_Ronnie_Bri=
to.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
">Dissertation Title</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">"MODELO DE =
REFER=CANCIA PARA DESENVOLVIMENTO DE ARTEFATOS DE APOIO AO ACESSO DOS =
SURDOS AO AUDIOVISUAL"</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">Tese de =
doutorado submetida ao Programa de Engenharia e Gest=E3o do Conhecimento =
da Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina para a obten=E7=E3o do Grau de =
Doutor em Engenharia e Gest=E3o do =
Conhecimento&nbsp;Florian=F3polis&nbsp;2012&nbsp;</div></div></div><div><b=
r></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE SANTA =
CATARINA&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">DEPARTAMENTO DE =
ENGENHARIA E GEST=C3O DO =
CONHECIMENTO&nbsp;</div></div><div><br></div><div>The&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(34, 34, 34); =
">"SignWriting CaptionMaker"</span>&nbsp;software is a&nbsp;Moodle 1.9 =
activity plugin. It needs to be installed in a Moodle 1.9 =
environment.&nbsp;</div><div><div>Allows adding SignWriting subtitles to =
on-line videos, as well as other types of subtitles, as demonstrated in =
these YouTube videos:</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>Demonstrations =
on YouTube:</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I">http://www.youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3DgvtdzaOVj-I</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A">http://www.youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3DxMUOUMllC9A</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><div>Software =
Download on Github:</div><div><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher">https://github.=
com/ronniebrito/moodle_moviemasher</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>Cont=
act:</div><div>Ronnie Fagundes de Brito</div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></div><di=
v><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman'; min-height: 15px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; ">I =
will be creating a web page on Ronnie's work today and will write again =
with the new link -</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; ">Val ;-)</div></div></body></html>=
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