Hi Charles and friends of the sw-list, 


Well – there may be a misunderstandig. 


I discussed the spelling of two different ways to  write the term “write”
... I have got no problem to understand the sign for write with the zig-zag
motion in the end. Of course you can literally “write on your left palm
parallel to the floor” like this. 

Compared to that there is a different spelling  of “write” left palm facing
the signer. So I would rather expect the right hand moving left to right
instead of diagonally forward to the right ... ;-) 


All best 





Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Sonntag, 8. September 2013 13:56
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Only a partial answer "with the Delegs Editor" is parallel to "with
SignWriting". SignWriting is a methodology that can be a program (the
SignPuddle) or by hand so "with" is the appropriate preposition. 


The zig-zag movement on SignWriting is stylistic form for finishing a
sentence. The double motion of "writing" above is imbedded in a sentence so
one is continuing a thought. It is not inconsistent if one thinks of the
zig-zag as a double motion with a "written" return. The motion may be
exactly the same. 


Charles Butler
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Clear writing moves business forward.



From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 5:41 AM
Subject: AW: help with writing an ASL sentence for an academic paper


Hi Valerie, Nancy, Adam, Maria, Guido and friends of the sw-list ;-)) , 


I love to discuss this kind of documents. SignWriting is such a wonderdull
tool to discuss different aspects of any given SL performance on a solid


This is a typical example. Somebody tries to translate a given concept
(idea, phrase, sentence) to ASL ( or DGS...whatsoever..) 


Now different competent signers may offer their  w r i t t e n   answer to
this problem. 


What can be seen again and again ... there is not the one and only possible


Even if the sequence of signs may be the same there are still lots of
possibilities to make individual (perhaps meaningfull) differences ... In
this case the facial expressions... 


The good point is that we can discuss our “examples” in detail. We can learn
from each other. We can look at the documents as long as we want to
(compared to video ... ;-) 

We can easily rewrite or change the document if we wish to. 


Looking at your document Nancy – I have a question. (Same question goes to
Adam  ;-)) )

 I tried to rewrite your sentence with the US- SignPuddle Dictionary. I do
not get the same signs this way. Does this mean that you write this kind of
document from scratch with SignText?   


Nancy, I  would like to discuss your spelling of “Language”  - the way you
wrote it both hands move back and forth at the same time. Is this the way
you want to sign it? 


Another spelling question:  “written” second sign in the right column.  Left
palm facing you, right hand is moving diagonally forward  instead down or to
the right  ... mh ... compared to your spelling of SignWriting (left hand
palm up, right hand writing zigzag on the palm) the first spelling seems to
be somehow inconsistent. (Although there is no doubt about that everybody
should be able to understand the idea – smile) 



Now a discussion apart from SignWriting and spelling... 


Both of you (Nancy and Adam)  write a sign for “with” –mh –   (Maybe just
because Maria asked for a sentence including this  “with”)


Do not know ASL but  here is my question – from my point of idea “with” is
kind of  “with a pen” or “with my friend”    or...”with the delegs Editor”
but “written with (????) SignWriting? 


I am looking forward to your answers. 


All best 









Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Romero
Gesendet: Sonntag, 8. September 2013 01:56
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Here's an example of an example:


Facial expression eyebrows up, index finger points down 2x (This)

Fingerspelling for ASL

2 horizontal lines for a pause

Sign for AMERICA (fingers intertwined, making a small horizontal circle)

Sign for SIGN (2 index fingers travel in vertical oblong circle,

Sign for LANGUAGE ( "L" handshapes facing floor moving outward while

2 horizontal lines for a pause

Sign for SHOW (flat left hand, right index touching palm of L hand, both
move forward together twice)

Sign for WRITING (flat L palm, R hand as if holding pen moves diagonal on
floor plane, 2x)

Sign for WITH (2 "A" handshapes together, baby fingers toward the floor

Sign for SIGN (shown previously)

Sign for WRITING (former sign for WRITE with zigzag writing movement. This
is only one variation)

2 horizontal lines for a pause

Fingerspelled S and W (another way to sign SIGN WRITING)

Thick horizontal line for the end of the sentence.






On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:41 PM, maria galea <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Dear list members particularly ASL users,


A friend of mine who happens to be a linguist in the field of writing
systems of the world is hoping to include the mentioning of SignWriting as a
writing system of the world, and he has asked if someone could translate the
following sentence into ASL SignWriting:


"This is an American sign language example written with SignWriting "


If you could add sign-to-meaning correspondences, syntactic factors, and
lexical selection considerations would be helpful for him.


Thank you! It would be great if SignWriting makes its way into the academic
field of writing systems, so thank you very much for helping out with this
(i can't do it myself, because I'm not an ASL user)


best regards to everyone!