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Hi Charles, well the facial expressions for the mouth is an important part of the information to understand the sign. Just take a video of someone saying “SAMBA” You turn down the speakers and only watch his mouth... this is written and can be read without any guessing! I want my deaf students to improve their spoken language skills. So they have to find a way to translate what is expressed but cannot be heard. And of course Cherie ... it is the way you explain it. – smile Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2013 12:51 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Sign for Samba Makes sense, I don't really understand the Munder (mouth) shapes though they are consistent. Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. _____ From: Cherie Wren <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Sign for Samba no, the left hand is the white open hand, palm up, with thumb extended to the left, the right hand is the black -and- half black hand "playing" on the white hand "drum"... cherie _____ From: Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Sign for Samba I am looking at the left hand (alone below) and the thumb is on a side that I can't wrap my head around. The left thumb is in the middle with the hand upward and out. That's not possible if this is meant to be expressive. Charles Butler [log in to unmask] 240-764-5748 Clear writing moves business forward. _____ From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:05 AM Subject: Sign for Samba What about this with left flat hand ? _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Gustavo Godoy Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. September 2013 01:44 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Looking vor sign name Rio de Janeiro No, I think I didn't explain very well =p The handshape and orientation of the left hand is thisImagem inline 1 , as if it were a pandeiro, not holding one pandeiro. 2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> Hi Gustavo, looking at you-tube videos ... I tried to write it this way – left hand holding the pandeiro – right hand makes the thumb drumming ;-) What do you think? All best Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask] U] Im Auftrag von Gustavo Godoy Gesendet: Montag, 23. September 2013 23:37 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Looking vor sign name Rio de Janeiro I think that sign is a "iconic imitation" of the playng of 'pandeiro' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pandeiro_in_hands.jpg) - that is: the location is the 'passive' hand (an iconic pandeiro), and the active makes the "druming" (shaking the hand from the wrist). Sorry but I cannot insert this sign in the SignPuddle... 2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> Hi Gustavo ... Wow – thnk you so much for your quick answer Any idea about a sign for “Samba” ? Stefan _____ Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Gustavo Godoy Gesendet: Montag, 23. September 2013 22:51 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Re: Looking vor sign name Rio de Janeiro Rio de Janeiro, Handshape [Y], Movement: double 'brush' going down in the upper/proximal location of the arm. http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=12 <http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=12&sgn=46&sid=2940& sTrm=rio+de+janeiro&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&> &sgn=46&sid=2940&sTrm=rio+de+janeiro&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=& 2013/9/23 Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]> Hi friends from Brazil, can you support me? I am looking for the name sign of Rio de Janeiro and a sign for the dance “Samba” Can you offer a SignPuddle - graphic.. I need to translate tomorrow at school a document... Thank you very much All best Sefan -- ____gustavo godoy___ "as frágeis flores da diferença precisam da penumbra para subsistir" (CLS) -- ____gustavo godoy___ "as frágeis flores da diferença precisam da penumbra para subsistir" (CLS) -- ____gustavo godoy___ "as frágeis flores da diferença precisam da penumbra para subsistir" (CLS)