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On 10/4/2013 10:26 AM, André L wrote:
> Hello Duncan,
>
> thank you for your interest in supporting dictionary generation with 
> SignWriter Studio.  I like this software a lot.
>
> This is my main interest in sign writing.  I whish to support access 
> to rich vocabulary for interpreters, parents or hearing educator to 
> improve the quality of the communication with deaf people.  The second 
> aspect is to develop highly technical dictionaries for students and 
> interpreters to avoid re-inventing custom signs all the time.
>
> I am a software tester (13 years of experience).  Do you want to 
> discuss specifications, test case suite...  The user guide could be a 
> starting point...
Hello André,
     Yes I am interested.  Let me know what all you have in mind.

Jonathan
>
> It will be important to be able to exclude signs or words from such 
> dictionary ( in LSQ sign puddle we have plenty of plural and feminin 
> version of the same word and conjugated verbs).
>
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:01:52 -0600
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Hi André,
>     Way back I wrote a program called ASL List that did exactly what 
> you want but it was limited it only had so many signs.  So I decided 
> to and SignWriting to it and then came about SignWriter Studio.
>
> Presently that feature isn't working but I will work on that next now 
> that someone else is also interested!!!
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 10/2/2013 7:09 PM, André L wrote:
>
>
>      Hello Valerie,
>     I would like to know how to create a paper dictionary (like a
>     book) by importing ALL LSQ signs from sign puddle.  I could show
>     that to collegue students, interpreters and use it myself.
>
>     Also, can we develop a technical dictionary (like for a student
>     electrician) that will also be part of the main dictionary?
>     Would there be a way to gather a pdf subset of the main dictionary
>     that the student could share with several interpreters working
>     with him-her?
>
>     André Lemyre
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:30:46 -0700
>     From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>     Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
>     To: [log in to unmask]
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>     SignWriting List
>     October 2, 2013
>
>     Hello Andre, and Andre, Steve and Jonathan!
>
>     So ….we have some wonderful software that needs to be better
>     coordinated - but both programs by themselves work well. Right
>     now, Steve needs to complete the new SinPuddle 3 and get it
>     uploaded, because it also contains new features that everyone
>     wants, and it has taken longer than expected to complete the software…
>
>     Regarding creating your own dictionaries, there is not only
>     SignWriter Studio, but also the PersonalPuddle, and Private Web
>     Puddles, and you can also use SignPuddle Online and label your
>     signs as yours in the Source and those signs could always be
>     transferred to SignWriter Studio maybe? can one reverse the
>     process? - ha! In time, all these programs will work well together
>     I am sure…both Jonathan and Steve work for very little pay and are
>     working hard to make the programs work well -
>
>     So for now, I would either use the workaround that Jonathan
>     suggested, or edit the signs in SignText, not SignMaker… let me
>     test this myself - I am sorry I have not done that yet -
>
>     SignBank would not work with this because it has not been updated
>     for years but I want to update it in the future -
>
>     Val ;-)
>
>     ----
>
>
>     On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:20 PM, André L <[log in to unmask]
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>
>         Hello Jonathan,
>
>         thank you for the work around.
>         I will try it this weekend.
>         I will try to contact Steve to assist me because I have over a
>         hundred signs to process.
>         I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter studio.
>
>         Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload the Québec
>         Sign language files I copied from Sign puddle, so I gave up.  
>         I would have like to build a dictionnary.
>
>
>         André Lemyre
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:29:30 -0600
>         From:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>         Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
>         To:[log in to unmask]
>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>         Hi Andre,
>            When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle there
>         is no way to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a
>         limitation of SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation
>         myself personally trying to add and modify sign to the puddle
>         from SignWriter Studio. SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate
>         import/export or synching capabilities.   I have written to
>         Steve about it but he hasn't been able to make it a priority yet.
>         If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.
>
>          1. In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
>             Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C. 
>             It shows the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.
>          2. Click on the puddle you want to save to.
>          3. In Terms type "temp"
>          4. Click Add
>          5. Click Copy Sign From SignText
>          6. Click Copy Sign
>          7. Click on SignPuddle you want to save to
>          8. In Terms type in the term for the sign
>          9. Click Add
>         10. Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs
>         11. In Terms and Titles type "temp"
>         12. Click on temp
>         13. Click Delete Entry
>         14. Click Delete Entry
>
>
>
>         Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file if
>         he can add them for you.
>
>         I hope his helps
>
>         Regards,
>         Jonathan
>
>         On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
>             SignWriting List
>             October 2, 2013
>
>             Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
>
>             No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And
>             thank you for bringing this issue up, which as far as I
>             know, from my experience, is specific between the two
>             programs: SignWriter Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this
>             issue myself a long time ago and did mention it once to
>             Jonathan, but there is so much to do it got sidetracked.
>             It seems that exporting signs from the SignWriter Studio
>             dictionary end up as SignText in SignPuddle instead of
>             dictionary entries…so the signs are not made with
>             SignMaker, but instead with SignWriter Studio's
>             dictionary, but they need to end up as the equivalent to
>             signs made with SignMaker… not as SignText …so we need
>             both Jonathan's and Steve's help with this one -
>
>             Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they
>             are charming! And thank you for pointing this out to us -
>
>             Val ;-)
>
>             --------
>
>
>
>
>             On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler
>             <[log in to unmask]
>             <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>                 IF this does not work from a compatible program then
>                 the compatibility program of the major SignWriting
>                 programs need to all be made compatible. I know that
>                 this is a challenge, but making a new signwriting
>                 translator without a compatibility check seems a
>                 little futile. If the main database can't retrieve the
>                 words, then the point of Open Source is not being
>                 fulfilled.
>
>                 To do Open Source means that all output from a given
>                 input must be compatible to the central databank, in
>                 the case, SignBank, SignPuddle, and all of those
>                 others created.
>
>                 Is it not part of the spec of importing signs? Is
>                 there not a command to say "which of the following
>                 compatible programs are you using to import to
>                 SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve Slevinski to
>                 ensure that the program will in fact import your signs
>                 in a form that is acceptable to the data retrieval
>                 function."
>
>                 Else, it is a very large learning curve.
>                 Charles Butler
>                 [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>                 240-764-5748
>                 Clear writing moves business forward.
>
>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 *From:*Stephen E Slevinski Jr <[log in to unmask]
>                 <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>                 *To:*[log in to unmask]
>                 <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>                 *Sent:*Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM
>                 *Subject:*Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
>                 existing words
>
>
>                 On 10/2/13 11:37 AM, André L wrote:
>
>                     Hello,
>
>                     Many of the words I entered in sign puddle using
>                     sign studio are not displayed in the translate
>                     feature.
>                     Only the words are displayed without sign.
>                     However, with a seach on the same words, the sign
>                     is displayed.
>
>                 Hi Andre,
>
>                 The translate feature works with individual signs that
>                 were created in SignMaker.
>
>                 The translate feature does not work with sign texts
>                 that were created with SignText.
>
>                 Looking at the "assis" entry:
>                 http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400
>
>
>
>                 The sign is boxed and a lower font size. This
>                 indicates it was created with SignText.  Under the
>                 "Source", you can see the "SignText data" links.  This
>                 sign will not work in the current translate.
>
>                 Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.
>
>
>
>                 Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font size. 
>                 This indicates is was created with SignMaker.  Under
>                 the "Search.." links, you can see the "Sign data"
>                 links.  This sign will work in translate.
>
>
>                 So that's the problem.  You say you created this with
>                 "sign studio".  Are you talking about Jonathan's
>                 SignWriter Studio?  Or did you use SignText?
>
>                 The solution is to move the signs from the sign text
>                 area to individual signs.  I'm not sure the best way
>                 to do this.
>
>                 How many entries are like this?
>
>                 Regards,
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