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Hello Duncan,
 
which topic do you want to discuss?
 
1) New features for the dictionary
2) Testing a new feature in SignWriter Studio
3) In depth testing of SignWriter Studio with test reports, defects identification and follow-up of enhancement requests?
 
Note: my responses may be slow, I have a LSQ exam next week (I have hundreds of signs to review ;)  Classes will be over in 2 months, more times for projects!
 
André Lemyre
 
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:52:41 -0600
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary
To: [log in to unmask]


  
    
  
  
    

    On 10/4/2013 10:26 AM, André L wrote:

    
    
      
      Hello Duncan,

         

        thank you for your interest in supporting dictionary generation
        with SignWriter Studio.  I like this software a lot.

         

        This is my main interest in sign writing.  I whish to support
        access to rich vocabulary for interpreters, parents or hearing
        educator to improve the quality of the communication with deaf
        people.  The second aspect is to develop highly technical
        dictionaries for students and interpreters to avoid re-inventing
        custom signs all the time.

         

        I am a software tester (13 years of experience).  Do you want to
        discuss specifications, test case suite...  The user guide could
        be a starting point...

      
    
    Hello André,

        Yes I am interested.  Let me know what all you have in mind.

    

    Jonathan

    
       

        It will be important to be able to exclude signs or words from
        such dictionary ( in LSQ sign puddle we have plenty of plural
        and feminin version of the same word and conjugated verbs).

         

         

        André Lemyre

         

        
          Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:01:52 -0600

          From: [log in to unmask]

          Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary

          To: [log in to unmask]

          

          Hi André,   

              Way back I wrote a program called ASL List that did
          exactly what you want but it was limited it only had so many
          signs.  So I decided to and SignWriting to it and then came
          about SignWriter Studio.  

          

          Presently that feature isn't working but I will work on that
          next now that someone else is also interested!!!  

          

          Jonathan

          

          On 10/2/2013 7:09 PM, André L
            wrote:

          
          
            
            

               Hello Valerie,

              I would like to know how to create a paper dictionary
              (like a book) by importing ALL LSQ signs from sign
              puddle.  I could show that to collegue students,
              interpreters and use it myself.

               

              Also, can we develop a technical dictionary (like for a
              student electrician) that will also be part of the main
              dictionary?

              Would there be a way to gather a pdf subset of the
              main dictionary that the student could share with several
              interpreters working with him-her?

               

              André Lemyre

              
                Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:30:46
                -0700

                From: [log in to unmask]

                Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
                existing words

                To: [log in to unmask]

                

                SignWriting List
                October 2, 2013
                

                
                Hello Andre, and Andre, Steve and Jonathan!
                

                
                So ….we have some wonderful software that needs to
                  be better coordinated - but both programs by
                  themselves work well. Right now, Steve needs to
                  complete the new SinPuddle 3 and get it uploaded,
                  because it also contains new features that everyone
                  wants, and it has taken longer than expected to
                  complete the software…
                

                
                Regarding creating your own dictionaries, there is
                  not only SignWriter Studio, but also the
                  PersonalPuddle, and Private Web Puddles, and you can
                  also use SignPuddle Online and label your signs as
                  yours in the Source and those signs could always be
                  transferred to SignWriter Studio maybe? can one
                  reverse the process? - ha! In time, all these programs
                  will work well together I am sure…both Jonathan and
                  Steve work for very little pay and are working hard to
                  make the programs work well -
                

                
                So for now, I would either use the workaround that
                  Jonathan suggested, or edit the signs in SignText, not
                  SignMaker… let me test this myself - I am sorry I have
                  not done that yet -
                

                
                SignBank would not work with this because it has
                  not been updated for years but I want to update it in
                  the future -
                

                
                Val ;-)
                

                
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                    On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:20 PM, André L <[log in to unmask]>

                      wrote:
                    
                    
                      
                        

                          Hello Jonathan,

                           

                          thank you for the work around.

                          I will try it this weekend.

                          I will try to contact Steve to assist me
                          because I have over a hundred signs to
                          process.

                          I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter
                          studio.

                           

                          Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never
                          upload the Québec Sign language files I copied
                          from Sign puddle, so I gave up.   I would have
                          like to build a dictionnary.

                           

                           

                          André Lemyre

                          
                            Date: Wed, 2 Oct
                            2013 16:29:30 -0600

                            From: [log in to unmask]

                            Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not
                            translate existing words

                            To: [log in to unmask]

                            

                            Hi Andre,

                               When exporting from SignWriter Studio to
                            Sign Puddle there is no way to directly to a
                            SignMaker entry. This is a limitation of
                            SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation
                            myself personally trying to add and modify
                            sign to the puddle from SignWriter Studio. 
                            SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate
                            import/export or synching capabilities.   I
                            have written to Steve about it but he hasn't
                            been able to make it a priority yet.

                            If you just have a few signs then this is
                            they way to do it.

                            
                              In SignWriter Studio when positioned
                                on the sign, click Edit/Copy/Copy Sign
                                to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C.  It
                                shows the sign in SignPuddle in your
                                browser.
                              Click on the puddle you want to save
                                to.
                              In Terms type "temp"
                              Click Add
                              Click Copy Sign From SignText
                              Click Copy Sign
                              Click on SignPuddle you want to save
                                to
                              In Terms type in the term for the sign
                              Click Add
                              Click on Search by Words or Search by
                                Signs
                              In Terms and Titles type "temp"
                              Click on temp
                              Click Delete Entry
                              Click Delete Entry
                            
                            

                            

                            Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export
                            to an SPML file if he can add them for you.

                            

                            I hope his helps

                            

                            Regards,

                            Jonathan

                            

                            On 10/2/2013
                              11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

                            
                            SignWriting

                              List
                              October 2, 2013
                              

                              
                              Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
                              

                              
                              No worries everyone. Thank you for
                                your messages. And thank you for
                                bringing this issue up, which as far as
                                I know, from my experience, is specific
                                between the two programs: SignWriter
                                Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this
                                issue myself a long time ago and did
                                mention it once to Jonathan, but there
                                is so much to do it got sidetracked. It
                                seems that exporting signs from the
                                SignWriter Studio dictionary end up as
                                SignText in SignPuddle instead of
                                dictionary entries…so the signs are not
                                made with SignMaker, but instead with
                                SignWriter Studio's dictionary, but they
                                need to end up as the equivalent to
                                signs made with SignMaker… not as
                                SignText …so we need both Jonathan's and
                                Steve's help with this one -
                              

                              
                              Thank you, Andre, by the way, for
                                your documents - they are charming! And
                                thank you for pointing this out to us -
                              

                              
                              Val ;-)
                              

                              
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                                  On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM,
                                    Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]>

                                    wrote:
                                  
                                  
                                    
                                      
                                        IF this does not work
                                            from a compatible program
                                            then the compatibility
                                            program of the major
                                            SignWriting programs need to
                                            all be made compatible. I
                                            know that this is a
                                            challenge, but making a new
                                            signwriting translator
                                            without a compatibility
                                            check seems a little futile.
                                            If the main database can't
                                            retrieve the words, then the
                                            point of Open Source is not
                                            being fulfilled. 
                                        

                                        
                                        To do Open
                                          Source means that all output
                                          from a given input must be
                                          compatible to the central
                                          databank, in the case,
                                          SignBank, SignPuddle, and all
                                          of those others created. 
                                        

                                        
                                        Is it not part
                                          of the spec of importing
                                          signs? Is there not a command
                                          to say "which of the following
                                          compatible programs are you
                                          using to import to
                                          SignPuddle?" "have you contact
                                          Steve Slevinski to ensure that
                                          the program will in fact
                                          import your signs in a form
                                          that is acceptable to the data
                                          retrieval function."
                                        

                                        
                                        Else, it is a
                                          very large learning curve. 
                                         
                                        Charles Butler

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                                          Clear writing moves business
                                          forward.
                                        

                                        
                                        
                                          
                                            
                                              From: Stephen E Slevinski Jr <[log in to unmask]>

                                                To: [log in to unmask] 

                                                Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03
                                                PM

                                                Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not
                                                translate existing words

                                              
                                            

                                              
                                                
                                                  

                                                    On 10/2/13 11:37 AM,
                                                    André L wrote:

                                                  
                                                  
                                                    Hello,

                                                       

                                                      Many of the words
                                                      I entered in sign
                                                      puddle using sign
                                                      studio are not
                                                      displayed in the
                                                      translate feature.

                                                      Only the words are
                                                      displayed without
                                                      sign.

                                                      However, with a
                                                      seach on the same
                                                      words, the sign is
                                                      displayed.

                                                    
                                                  
                                                  Hi Andre,

                                                  

                                                  The translate feature
                                                  works with individual
                                                  signs that were
                                                  created in SignMaker. 

                                                  

                                                  The translate feature
                                                  does not work with
                                                  sign texts that were
                                                  created with SignText.

                                                  

                                                  Looking at the "assis"
                                                  entry:

                                                  http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400

                                                  

                                                      

                                                  

                                                  The sign is boxed and
                                                  a lower font size. 
                                                  This indicates it was
                                                  created with
                                                  SignText.  Under the
                                                  "Source", you can see
                                                  the "SignText data"
                                                  links.  This sign will
                                                  not work in the
                                                  current translate.

                                                  

                                                  Here is "assistant" in
                                                  the same dictionary.

                                                  

                                                  

                                                  

                                                  Notice that it is not
                                                  boxed and a larger
                                                  font size.  This
                                                  indicates is was
                                                  created with
                                                  SignMaker.  Under the
                                                  "Search.." links, you
                                                  can see the "Sign
                                                  data" links.  This
                                                  sign will work in
                                                  translate.

                                                  

                                                  

                                                  So that's the
                                                  problem.  You say you
                                                  created this with
                                                  "sign studio".  Are
                                                  you talking about
                                                  Jonathan's SignWriter
                                                  Studio?  Or did you
                                                  use SignText?

                                                  

                                                  The solution is to
                                                  move the signs from
                                                  the sign text area to
                                                  individual signs.  I'm
                                                  not sure the best way
                                                  to do this.

                                                  

                                                  How many entries are
                                                  like this?

                                                  

                                                  Regards,
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