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If you are going to do a "word to sign" translation, what will you do to accurately represent a sentence like I gave you. If you write the sentence in English, and then translate it into ASL using your translation program, you are going to have to have, if it is to be accurate, a sign for a left quote and a right quote together as the "quote" and then the expression "text to sign". 

My point is that some things cannot be translated from your program from a spoken language to a signed language without showing body shift as a REAL parameter. Sign uses body shift, your program does not show a translation INTO sign, but only "out of it". 

 
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 From: Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: AW: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ
 


Hi Charles, 
I am sorry. I do not
understand your question. Perhaps you can ask again? 
 
All best
 
Stefan
 
 

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Von:SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
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Curious,
would your "word to sign" document have a way to distinguish the
quote in this sentence, which ASL would put as a quote sign? 
 
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March 8, 2014
 
Wonderful,
Stefan and André - I am happy to know that you are working together and that
this project is beneficial for your students -
 
Sorry for our
misunderstanding the question - 
 
Have a
wonderful weekend everyone -
 
Val ;-)
 
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On Mar 8,
2014, at 9:33 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi André,
Charles, Cherie, Val and sw-list - friends,
 
well I am
afraid that there is a misunderstanding. Well, while writing these punctuation
symbols I do not mean to write ASL or DGS (German Sign Language) or any other
Sign Language.
 
This kind of
document Andrè is talking abbout is not Sign Language – but kind of “sign
sequence” following the word order of a written spoken Language document. So
here we see all these punctuation symbols an dthat is the very reason that we
need to have a symbol in these documents in case we write a word to sign
translation. (Within this context I would not want to discuss the pros or cons
of this kind of document) It is just a possibility to write any symbol we finde
in spoken Langabuage documents.
 
And Cherie ...
of course we use in DGS this “quotation sign – bent/hooked U – hand shape) but
that is – as you already mentioned – for a different purpose ... For documents
to support Spoken Language skills simple symbols are just fine and enough.
 
All best
 
Stefan
 

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IStephan, 

 understand your choice for writing a spoken language, I chose to write as
I would sign. i would not use a quote but the ASL equivalent in body shifting
and eye lift. English has punctuation, that's what the spoken language does
with a narrative to distinguish speakers. That is not how ASL shows dialogue.
It does it with body shifts, eye gazes, and other ways of punctuating that are
not mimicking a spoken language but separation by signs. The closest I do is a
pause before a body shift, but then the shifted person talks. If one is to show
a user of ASL how to write English, we need to show that a "quote" is
the equivalent to a body shift, not a punctuation mark.
 
 
Charles
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2:24 AM
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SW symbolsŠ
 
Hi Val, Charles, Andrè, ...
 
 
Are you asking how to write the punctuation like quote symbols?
 
On case you are interested to write not signlanguage but
"signed German" or any other "signed spoken language
document" as we need them for deaf students to improve their spoken
language document I would do it this way.
 
 
I simply added a sign for "quotes" to the dictionary.
 
 
All best
 
Stefan
 
 
 
 
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Hi Val and everyone,
 
Suppose I am writing a story. Here is an example of a dialogue:
 
I said: ³I like your clothes.²
 
³Thank you,² responded Val.
 
- ³Where did you buy them?²
 
- ³I did not buy them: my mother makes my clothes.²
 
How do you write down SW symbols for Œ ³ ¹,Œ ² ¹ and Œ-Œ in this
text
above ? 
 
In addition, how do you write down SW symbols for Œ«¹ and Œ»¹?
 
Best regards,
 
André
 
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