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On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Stephen E Slevinski Jr wrote: > On 8/12/14, 3:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote: >> Hi Charles, >> I enjoyed your symposium *"Ordering Signs in Dictionaries" >> http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html >> * I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find you a >> solution. Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would have an >> easy way for you to do your sorting. > > There are 2 different issues involved here: the sorting mechanics and > the sorting theory. > > Sorting Mechanics > ============ > The mechanics are simple. A linear ordered sequence of symbols can be > assigned to any sign. The symbols automatically sort according to the > ISWA 2010 default order using a binary string comparison. In our > programs we can use > greater than or < less than comparisons. From a > database, we can use a simple "order by" clause. > > For each symbol, there are 2 kinds of mechanical sorting. The major > sorting between symbols and the minor sorting within symbol bases. > > For the major sorting between symbols, the list below is sorted by the > default ISWA 2010 order. Order other than this are possible, but > require an additional step of creating a custom ordering of the > symbols. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been implemented. > Unicode has a way to reorder the major sorting issues involving > special weights for each symbol base. > > > > For the minor sorting within the symbols, the default order starts > with Fill 1 and Rotation 1. Next is Fill 1 with Rotation 2, then the > rest of the rotations for Fill 1. After that are the symbols with > Fill 2. Only the default ISWA 2010 order has been implemented. This > may be an issue when the default ISWA 2010 order is not the desired > order. This is what I got from Charles talk too. > Unicode may possibly have a way to reorder the minor sorting, but I'm > not sure. > > > > > Sorting Theory > ========= > For sorting, the linear ordered list of symbols can be created using > any writing symbols and any detailed location symbols. > > Creating the special sorting requires crafting a special sequence. > > If I understood Charles correctly, he would want to use Head Rims. > > > > Head Rims have a default sort order of the following... > > > So the first symbol in the ordered sequence would be the dominant hand > shape. The next would be the appropriate Head Rim. The third symbol > would be the non-dominant hand. This is interesting. I hope Charles will be able to elaborate a little more how he is ordering the sequence and whether he hopes it can be done automatically or if we have to do it manually. Regards, Jonathan > > Regards, > -Steve > ________________________________________________ > > SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION > > Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] > > Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] > > SignWriting List Archives & Home Page > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist > > Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages > http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1 > -- email: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> Cel Honduras: (504)3141-1171 Tel USA: (347)875-8442 Skype: yojoduncan SignWriter Studio <http://www.signwriterstudio.com/> ________________________________________________ SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator [log in to unmask] Post Messages to the SignWriting List: [log in to unmask] SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1