sorting by the rotation of the hand may not be effective in LSQ because of directional signs.
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:05:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries
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I watched your talk again today. I realized that what I call
"Sign Sequence" you call "Sign Spelling". I guess it is
"SignSpelling Sequence". So I didn't understand that the first
time. So now after this more attentive listening to your talk, I
see that you definitely are using SignSpelling Sequence for all your
entries and that you are doing them manually the same way Val
suggested in the SignSpelling Guidelines.
Am I correct in my understanding that which symbols come first
in the sorted list is different from the way SignPuddle is sorting?
Your sorting would be sorted by the
1. First by symbol in the sign sequence's basegroup of the first
hand in the SignSpelling Sequence
2. What figure (See the individual chapters)? I need more
explanation about this one.
3. The for each basegroup sort by fill
4. In each fill sorting, sort by rotation ( but not
distinguishing between right and left hands.
I see you number both from 1 to 8 in instead of numbering them all
from 1 to 16)
5. Location symbol. comes after hand symbol when comparing.
From first to last
No Body - hand to hand, head, body
5.1 Location sorting on hand contact order doesn't seem to be
5.2 Head location sorting
5.3 Body body
Indicate the location of the body, placing the graphic in the left
lane, the middle lane, or
right lane. - Need this explained I'm not understanding.
Needs to have numbering for which comes first for body location
6 - What is contact? No order, any can come first.
7.7 - Finger bends (ie no order)?No order, any can come first.
8 - Movement? Vertical, then Horizontal, then Arc - up / down, up
/ abaxo + rotation, then up / down bow
after / below + arc rotation, face bow, face bow + rotation
Need to define which come first within the vertical, and which
come first within the horizontal, etc. Or just current
default currently in ISWA2010
Need to define movement symbols in other planes, etc.
9 Timing. Which comes first?
10 Faces and posture.
Not sure about this one, would like more explanation.
Also you need to output a dictionary that has,
Do you currently have any way of keeping all this information in
SignWriter Studio can do
I was hoping to add a second SignLanguage to do a dictionary with
two sign languages but I haven't programmed that yet.
I am still working on finalizing the output for the dictionary.
So I am looking for your input whether you use it or not.
Please fill me in where I am lacking and correct me where I am
On 8/12/2014 4:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
I enjoyed your symposium “Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.htmlgro
I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find
you a solution. Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would
have an easy way for you to do your sorting.
I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for SignWriter
Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I am starting to
produce a Honduran Sign Language dictionary.
I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand shapes,
comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing facial areas,
etc. I like it very much.
A couple things I wanted to ask.
For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence of a
sign need to be filled out? I am getting the impression that your
sorting could sort dictionaries without the sign sequence, is this
assumption correct? Or would it sort signs according to the
symbols in sign sequence? It doesn't seem to take into account
the order of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?
Also do you have another document comparing the other symbols like
movement symbols, etc? If so could you send it to me?