2. What figure (See the individual chapters)? ** I need more explanation about this one. (Which of the hand shapes in the Group, there are more than 20 under Group 1. That's what I mean by "figure". A Group contains many "figures". Those individual figures are already ordered in the SignPuddle, I am not changing the order of their introduction, I am starting by Group, then Figure, then Orientation, then Rotation.) I was not going to repeat a breakdown by Figure in the introduction, that would take up as much space as the entire SignPuddle, I
was trying to save that for each chapter, which goes solely by GROUP for now. Look at the top of Chapter 1 and you will see all of the Figures in Group 1. The index finger (the first one) then goes through all of the Orientations, etc. in the first column. I used representative samples, not exhaustive. **

Hi Charles,

I watched your talk again today. I realized that what I call "Sign Sequence" you call "Sign Spelling". I guess it is "SignSpelling Sequence". So I didn't understand that the first time. So now after this more attentive listening to your talk, I see that you definitely are using SignSpelling Sequence for all your entries and that you are doing them manually the same way Val suggested in the SignSpelling Guidelines.

Am I correct in my understanding that which symbols come first in the sorted list is different from the way SignPuddle is sorting?

Your sorting would be sorted by the

1. First by symbol in the sign sequence's basegroup of the first hand in the SignSpelling Sequence

2. What figure (See the individual chapters)?** I need more
explanation about this one. (Which of the hand shapes in the Group, there are more than 20 under Group 1. That's what I mean by "figure". A Group contains many "figures". Those individual figures are already ordered in the SignPuddle, I am not changing the order of their introduction, I am starting by Group, then Figure, then Orientation, then Rotation.) **

I watched your talk again today. I realized that what I call "Sign Sequence" you call "Sign Spelling". I guess it is "SignSpelling Sequence". So I didn't understand that the first time. So now after this more attentive listening to your talk, I see that you definitely are using SignSpelling Sequence for all your entries and that you are doing them manually the same way Val suggested in the SignSpelling Guidelines.

Am I correct in my understanding that which symbols come first in the sorted list is different from the way SignPuddle is sorting?

Your sorting would be sorted by the

1. First by symbol in the sign sequence's basegroup of the first hand in the SignSpelling Sequence

2. What figure (See the individual chapters)?

4. In each fill sorting, sort by rotation

I see you number both from 1 to 8 in instead of numbering them all from 1 to 16)

5. Location symbol. comes after hand symbol when comparing.

From first to last

No Body - hand to hand, head, body

5.1 Location sorting on hand

5.2 Head location sorting

5.3 Body body

Indicate the location of the body, placing the graphic in the left lane, the middle lane, or

right lane. -

6 - What is contact? No order, any can come first.

7.7 - Finger bends (ie no order)?No order, any can come first.

8 - Movement? Vertical, then Horizontal, then Arc - up / down, up / abaxo + rotation, then up / down bow

after / below + arc rotation, face bow, face bow + rotation

9 Timing.

10 Faces and posture.

Also you need to output a dictionary that has,

hand

spelling

sign

Portuguese

ASL

english

Quote

Do you currently have any way of keeping all this information in Sign Puddle?

SignWriter Studio can do

spelling

sign-LIBRAS

Portuguese

English

Source

I was hoping to add a second SignLanguage to do a dictionary with two sign languages but I haven't programmed that yet.

I am still working on finalizing the output for the dictionary. So I am looking for your input whether you use it or not.

Please fill me in where I am lacking and correct me where I am wrong.

Regards,

Jonathan

On 8/12/2014 4:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:

Hi Charles,

I enjoyed your symposium**“Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.htmlgro**

I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find
you a solution. Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would
have an easy way for you to do your sorting.

I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for SignWriter Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I am starting to produce a Honduran Sign Language dictionary.

I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand shapes, comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing facial areas, etc. I like it very much.

A couple things I wanted to ask.

For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence of a sign need to be filled out? I am getting the impression that your sorting could sort dictionaries without the sign sequence, is this assumption correct? Or would it sort signs according to the symbols in sign sequence? It doesn't seem to take into account the order of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?

Also do you have another document comparing the other symbols like movement symbols, etc? If so could you send it to me?

Thanks

I enjoyed your symposium

I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for SignWriter Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I am starting to produce a Honduran Sign Language dictionary.

I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand shapes, comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing facial areas, etc. I like it very much.

A couple things I wanted to ask.

For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence of a sign need to be filled out? I am getting the impression that your sorting could sort dictionaries without the sign sequence, is this assumption correct? Or would it sort signs according to the symbols in sign sequence? It doesn't seem to take into account the order of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?

Also do you have another document comparing the other symbols like movement symbols, etc? If so could you send it to me?

Thanks

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