Valerie has an imposed order by an encoded sign-symbol-sequence taking precedence over her "default" one. 

I had to sort mine manually, there may be ways for you to achieve yours by other methods in your new program, but if you impose it by the software at the beginning, then you will have to impose a "Sign Spelling Sequence" as the default at some point, as unless you know a sign, all you see in the dictionary is the completed one, not its inherent order when it is made of multiple syllables. 
 
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Hi Val,
    I wrote to Charles, but posted to the list as I am interested in everybody´s input on the subject.  :-)  

Please share more about the two ways sorting is being done.

Jonathan
On 8/13/2014 1:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
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Jonathan and Charles -
Perhaps you are working privately together and if so that is wonderful ;-)

I do not want to impose my ideas about sorting dictionaries, since this was an email for Charles and not for me - smile -

and I agree with Jonathan, Charles, that your presentation 10 at the SignWriting Symposium was a great addition to the presentations…

So is it ok with you that I tell you how we are sorting signs here? There are actually two ways we are doing it now…

Val ;-)

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On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Charles,
    I enjoyed your symposium “Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html
I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find you a solution.  Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would have an easy way for you to do your sorting.


I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for SignWriter Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I am starting to produce a Honduran Sign Language dictionary. 


I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand shapes, comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing facial areas, etc.  I like it very much.


A couple things I wanted to ask.

For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence of a sign need to be filled out?  I am getting the impression that your sorting could sort dictionaries without the sign sequence, is this assumption correct?  Or would it sort signs according to the symbols in sign sequence?  It doesn't seem to take into account the order of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?

Also do you have another document comparing the other symbols like movement symbols, etc?  If so could you send it to me?


Thanks

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