So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two signs of DEAF. One with contact and one without. It seems that you are writing the SignSpelling Sequence following the basic Handshape-Location-Movement order. Ok. So that would mean that you would have DEAF with contact ordered as:

01-01-001-01-02-0204-01-002-01-01-0702-01-001-01-01-0102-03-001-01-01-0404-01-002-01-01-0502-01-001-01-01-01

And DEAF without as:

01-01-001-01-02-0204-01-002-01-01-0702-03-001-01-01-0404-01-002-01-01-05

Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence that is inherit with the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with contact would come first before DEAF without contact because the first contact star in DEAF with contact comes before the arrow moment in DEAF without contact.

But I’m still not seeing what you are referring to. What exactly are you trying to do?

Adam

On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Adam and Jonathan.

What Jonathan and I are running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence by Syllable, so, for example with a sign like Deaf (with face contact) and Deaf (without face contact), I put the first and second positions of the face when there are no contacts but the hand is near the space BEFORE the writing where there is actual contact on the head. The only way to order them in a dictionary (for me) is to have distinct syllables and spellings within syllables. So that first-syllable INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR ARC-(second syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC  comes before (first syllable) HAND-EAR ARC-CONTACT-(second syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. 

We are trying to order positions on the Head in relation to contacts with the Head in syllables. Trying to get a fixed order of relation to one part of a syllable to the next part. 
 
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From: Adam Frost <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting

I’m not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you mean the location on the hand? And what do you mean by Top-Down for the Face?

As for the neck, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.


For the shoulder, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.


Adam



On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jonathan Duncan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi,
    Does anybody have any SignSequence examples for

Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting
1. Location Dominant Hand
2. Location Non-Dominant Hand
4. Face (Top-Down)
5. Neck
6. Shoulder



I´ve looked through the sign spelling sequences for the ASL and only found examples for
3. Head
7. Torso
8. Hips & Legs

Thanks,

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