Hi Val, I am still have problems with Charles messages on the list. For example, I never got the email from Charles below in either of my email accounts but got Adam´s reply to it in both of them. I checked my spam folders and they are not there either. Just to let you know that the bug on the list software is still there. Though I understand that you may not be able to do much about it. So everybody please always reply to Charles so that I can know what he wrote :-) . LOL Just kidding. Regards, Jonathan On 9/8/2014 11:52 AM, Adam Frost wrote: > So if I am reading this right, you are comparing two signs of DEAF. > One with contact and one without. It seems that you are writing the > SignSpelling Sequence following the basic Handshape-Location-Movement > order. Ok. So that would mean that you would have DEAF with contact > ordered as: > > 01-01-001-01-02-0204-01-002-01-01-0702-01-001-01-01-0102-03-001-01-01-0404-01-002-01-01-0502-01-001-01-01-01 > > And DEAF without as: > > 01-01-001-01-02-0204-01-002-01-01-0702-03-001-01-01-0404-01-002-01-01-05 > > Assuming that you are using the Symbol Sequence that is inherit with > the ISWA 2010, then DEAF with contact would come first before DEAF > without contact because the first contact star in DEAF with contact > comes before the arrow moment in DEAF without contact. > > But I’m still not seeing what you are referring to. What exactly are > you trying to do? > > Adam > > On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Charles Butler <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > >> Hi Adam and Jonathan. >> >> What Jonathan and I are running up against is Sign-Symbol-Sequence by >> Syllable, so, for example with a sign like Deaf (with face contact) >> and Deaf (without face contact), I put the first and second positions >> of the face when there are no contacts but the hand is near the space >> BEFORE the writing where there is actual contact on the head. The >> only way to order them in a dictionary (for me) is to have distinct >> syllables and spellings within syllables. So that first-syllable >> INDEX HAND-NEAR EAR ARC-(second syllable)-NEAR MOUTH ARC comes >> before (first syllable) HAND-EAR ARC-CONTACT-(second >> syllable)EAR-MOUTH-CONTACT. >> >> We are trying to order positions on the Head in relation to contacts >> with the Head in syllables. Trying to get a fixed order of relation >> to one part of a syllable to the next part. >> Charles Butler >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> 240-764-5748 >> Clear writing moves business forward. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Adam Frost <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Monday, September 8, 2014 9:58 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting >> >> I’m not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you mean the location on the >> hand? And what do you mean by Top-Down for the Face? >> >> As for the neck, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence. >> >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098 >> >> For the shoulder, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence. >> >> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005 >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jonathan Duncan <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Does anybody have any SignSequence examples for >> >> Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting >> 1. Location Dominant Hand >> 2. Location Non-Dominant Hand >> 4. Face (Top-Down) >> 5. Neck >> 6. Shoulder >> >> >> >> I´ve looked through the sign spelling sequences for the ASL and only >> found examples for >> 3. Head >> 7. Torso >> 8. 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