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Dear Val, dear James, dear all,

answering to those 6 questions is difficult indeed!
I agree with your understanding, SignWriting users are probably in the
order of thousands, considering all the countries around the world.
But again, they are just guesses. :)

Thanks Val!

2014-11-18 18:14 GMT+01:00 Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask]>:

> SignWriting List
> November 18, 2014
>
> Hello Fabrizio and James -
>
> Thank you for this thread, asking “How many users of SignWriting in the
> world?”…
>
> This is a question that is continually and understandably asked, but is
> hard to answer, since statistics are very hard to collect.
>
> Let me ask you similarly difficult questions, Fabrizio…
>
> 1. How many Deaf people live in Italy?
> 2. How many of those Deaf people are pre-lingually Deaf?
> 3. How many of the Deaf population use a sign language or use signs as
> their primary language?
> 4. How many people, both hearing and Deaf, use sign language in Italy?
> 5. How many signers in Italy know there is a written form?
> 6. How many signers write sign language?
>
> Answering any of those questions is almost impossible …but there can be
> guesses - but only guesses -
>
> For example, I once heard the statistic that around 7% of the world’s
> population has some kind of hearing loss, and that only around 1% of the
> world’s population uses a sign language on a daily basis…
>
> If those statistics are true, then you could apply that to your population
> in Italy - but are those statistics true?
>
> I don’t think anyone knows…
>
> And then to add to the mix - our web sites are terribly behind in catching
> up with all the people and groups that use SignWriting around the world, so
> to base your statistics on our web sites is meager at best - yes, we have a
> “Who Uses SignWriting?” web page but that does not list all the countries -
> and when I say countries I really only mean small groups of people within
> each country - so to be accurate we have no idea how many people use
> SignWriting!
>
> However, I know there are a lot from our small perspective - I tell people
> “thousands, if not 10,000” and that is just based on what I have heard from
> groups - but that is only conjecture -
>
> I surely wish I could give you a real statistic, but if you can find a way
> to word it - like - “Some say that 1% of the world’s populations uses a
> sign language as their primary daily language” and the percentage of the
> sign languages users around the world who realize that their languages can
> now be written languages is small, but growing, based on the number of
> projects that have been established in over 40 countries …”
>
> Or something like that!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -------
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Fabrizio Borgia <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Dear James,
> thanks for your very detailed answer, by "users" I include individuals
> from category one and two, i.e.
>
> 1)  SW - actively use it
> 2)  SW - actively used it in school, but no longer do
>
> I agree with your vision, one educational administrator with a vision
> could really change things. I'm not fully aware of the educational
> situation here in Italy, but I have the feeling that it's the same for us
> too.
>
> Thank!
>
>
> 2014-11-17 15:52 GMT+01:00 James Shepard-Kegl <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Fabrizio,
>>
>> Define "users".
>>
>> In Nicaragua - today -, I would divide the population (hearing and Deaf)
>> into four groups:
>> 1)  SW - actively use it
>> 2)  SW - actively used it in school, but no longer do
>> 3)  SW - have seen it, know something about it, can't read it
>> 4)  SW -- "What's that? Never heard of it!"
>>
>> Group 1:  less than 5, I would guess  (That figure will go up in December
>> because I will be conducting sign language grammar workshops -- and anybody
>> who participates is going to realize that SW is integral to our work -- and
>> once I leave,....)
>> Group 2:  approx. 50  (primarily in Bluefields, but also in Condega)
>> Group 3:  maybe 300 (because any family member of a Deaf student in
>> Bluefields 10 years ago would certainly have seen SW, plus families in
>> diverse locations where NSLP staff have introduced Nicaraguan Sign
>> Language.)
>> Group 4:  about 6 million
>>
>> There are two reasons to use SW:  1) as an aid in linguistic sign
>> language research    2) literacy, and specifically, sign language literacy
>>
>> Where you have funded researchers who are actively working, you will
>> encounter SW.  Put another way, a researcher who starts to use SW probably
>> won't stop (until the funding runs out).
>>
>> In my experience, school administrators, that is, those charged with
>> bring education to children, have zero interest in enabling Deaf children
>> to develop sign language literacy skills.  School teachers, poorly paid as
>> they are and insecure in their jobs, know better than to buck the system.
>>
>> Of course, my experience is limited.
>>
>> On an optimistic note, I would suggest that one educational administrator
>> with a vision (if that person is high enough in the educational hierarchy)
>> could make all the difference.
>>
>> -- James
>>
>>
>> ---- Fabrizio Borgia <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> > has anyone ever attempted to estimate the number of SignWriting users in
>> > the worlds? The "Who uses SignWriting?" page gives a detaialed account
>> of
>> > the SignWriting communities around the world, but has anyone ever
>> attempted
>> > to *count* the number of individuals using SignWriting?
>> > Are we in the order of hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Fabrizio Borgia, M.D.
>> >
>> > Ph.D. Student
>> > Sapienza - Università di Roma
>> > Université Toulouse III - Paul Sabatier
>> >
>> > O&M Software Engineering
>> > SERCO S.p.A.
>> >
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>
> --
> Fabrizio Borgia, M.D.
>
> Ph.D. Student
> Sapienza - Università di Roma
> Université Toulouse III - Paul Sabatier
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-- 
Fabrizio Borgia, M.D.

Ph.D. Student
Sapienza - Università di Roma
Université Toulouse III - Paul Sabatier

O&M Software Engineering
SERCO S.p.A.

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