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On 3/25/2015 2:39 AM, Yair Rand wrote:
> @Yu Zhang: I've built into my SignWriting Keyboard script a system for 
> adding new layouts without making substantial changes to the 
> underlying code. You might want to try this instead of creating a new 
> system from scratch. The code for the script is currently on the 
> Wikimedia Incubator at 
> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yair_rand/SWKB.js . There's 
> a "skeleton" layout in it called DOSLayout, which should give a good 
> idea of how layouts are built. Also, there's a big block of 
> documentation at the top of the script.
>
> (Also @Jonathan Duncan: Are you still interested in porting SignWriter 
> DOS over to javascript? If so, you might also want to look at the 
> documentation and code there. Or I could code the DOS keyboard layout 
> if you've got a complete layout thought out already, if you want.)
Yair,
     It's still something I would like to do but time doesn't permit me 
right now.  I am happy to hear that new layouts can be added to your 
code. That's great news!!  When I get to doing I will definitely take a 
look at your code.

Jonathan
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Valerie Sutton <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Yu -
>     No. The link you show below in your message is NOT the Sign
>     Keyboard in the SignWriter DOS program.
>
>     The link you have below is a “Fingerspelling Keyboard”, and that
>     is NOT writing sign languages with the Sign Keyboad. A
>     Fingerspelling Keyboard is used to type Fingerspelling, and that
>     is not writing signs themselves…
>
>     So although the 17 Fingerspelling Keyboards do use SignWriting
>     symbols to write the Manual Alphabets from different countries,
>     they are not the Sign Keyboard for typing Sign Languages, using
>     SignWriting…
>
>     The SignWriter Computer Program, which is not used much any longer
>     because it is in MS DOS (you can still use it with DOSBOX
>     installed), was a wonderful program because you could switch
>     between three kinds of keyboards: Sign, Fingerspelling, and Latin
>     Alphabet. So you could switch between typing Sign Language (Facial
>     expressions, arm movements, hand movements, head movements,
>     gesture), and Fingerspelling (the Manual Alphabets from the
>     different countries that are a one-to-one correlation with the
>     alphabets from the spoken languages of the countries but are not
>     sign language), and typing words with the Roman (Latin) alphabet.
>
>     So to learn the Sign Keyboard (not the Fingerspelling keyboard)
>     you need to read this document (one I already directed you to):
>
>     http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs1/sw0049-SWDOS-Type-Signs.pdf
>
>     As far as really using that keyboard, the problem is that it is an
>     old program and you will need to download DOSBOX and install it on
>     your computer and then download SignWriter DOS and install it
>     inside of DOSBOX:
>
>     SignWriter DOS Computer Program
>     http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/sw44/index.html
>
>
>     Then start the program and start playing around with the keyboard…
>
>     So this Sign Keyboard which I designed is not inside a more modern
>     program right now…I would love it if someone were willing to
>     program the general design that we developed for SignWriter DOS,
>     and somehow get it to work within newer more modern programs, but
>     most software developers want to develop their own style of
>     keyboard design…so if you want to do your own from scratch that is
>     ok, but you have a big learning curve - you will need to know
>     SignWriting (the ISWA 2010) and perhaps write some sign language
>     yourself in SignPuddle Online - write a sign language document
>     yourself with the drag and drop system in SignPuddle Online for
>     awhile to see the symbols and how they work to get a feel as to
>     what is needed -
>
>     Have you read our ASL Wikipedia articles? A typing system needs to
>     be able to create these kinds of articles:
>
>     http://ase.wikipedia.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
>     or
>
>     http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/ase/
>
>     Have you tried to type with Yair Rand’s keyboard?
>
>     /https://806e8abcad89c3043886d9f62a7903edbba39fa1.googledrive.com/host/0B1Pz4n6wXAfvT18yOTFoSE5Sa2s/SWKB.html/
>
>
>     I am sure you will find your way Yu - I am just trying to give you
>     a little experience with a very big subject matter - start writing
>     some signs with SignPuddle right now…
>     http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/ … and through experience it
>     will start to give you ideas -
>
>     Val ;-)
>
>     ----------
>
>
>>     On Mar 24, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Yu Zhang <[log in to unmask]
>>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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>>     Hi Val and Andre,
>>
>>     Thank you for your reply and resources!
>>
>>     Is this the keyboard that people are using and Val, you said you
>>     can type quickly while other people just type with one
>>     finger?http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/fingkeys/fkey001.html
>>     And if there can be an tutorial for people to learn how to use it
>>     will be great?
>>
>>     Thank you!
>>
>>     Best Regards,
>>     Yu
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:15 PM, André L <[log in to unmask]
>>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello Yu,
>>
>>         Have a look at this document:
>>         http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs7/sw0636_SignWriting_Alphabet_Manual_2010.pdf
>>
>>         Also
>>         http://www.signwriting.org/downloads/
>>         and
>>         http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/
>>
>>         André Lemyre
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:36:23 -0400
>>         From: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>         Subject: SW Keyboard
>>         To: [log in to unmask]
>>         <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>         Hi my friends,
>>
>>         Is there any place to take a look at all the small parts of
>>         SW? So that I can roughly know how many keys could be.
>>
>>         Thank you!!
>>
>>         Best Regards,
>>         Yu
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