Hi Steve, 


yes --very glad to hear from you ..and yes I enjoyed the symposium ..and
there have been quite a few I could not follow ..So I am interested to look
at the videos again and to ask for more information. 


As you already know I startet with the "Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and
thanks to Yair`s kind support I am on my way to get more familiar with that
although there is still a long way to go to really 



My question to you about FSW:


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 As far as I understand ...Your development of FSW - Data allows people in
the future to post messages written in SignWriting on any (??) website on
the Internet once the Unicode symbols are ...what? People do not longer have
to open these documents in a special SignWriting Program but can look at
nicely presented SignWriting notations.  Is that correct? 


I personally like the freedom to create documents with different workflows
...So to type directly with the "Rand-Keyboard" would be fun. On the other
hand I do have a lot of practice and therefore this method is pretty
effective, I look for a program that "translates" search-words by
SignWriting-Entries...and look whether  YOU  opened the option to copy the
FSW data. 

Can you please explain..what are the methods at the moment to get this kind
of Data? 


As far as I know: 


1) "Rand-Keyboard"

2) SignMaker 2015

3) SignPuddle   (Dictionary)



4) SignPuddle Literature Dictionary   (love that !!) 





Last question not feel pushed...You think some time  the wonderful
SignMail option will work again??  


All best 








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Hi SignWriting list,


I hope everyone enjoyed the symposium this year.  I enjoyed every 

presentation I understood, and even the ones I didn't.  I look forward 

to the English translations.


In the past 3 weeks, I have created 5 presentations.  I was only 

supposed to create 2 for the symposium, but new topics kept coming up 

and I was in the groove.


Please feel free to contact me on the list or privately about any of 

these presentations.




The SignWriting Stack 2015


This is a general overview of the technologies related to SignWriting 

and the best practices for online use and development.




The Use and Structure of SignMaker 2015


SignMaker is an amazing sign editor and dictionary.  SignMaker 

highlights many of the advantages to the Formal SignWriting design. The 

searching possible and the huge sorted dictionaries make me smile.


I have it on my desktop and use it to view/edit whatever Formal 

SignWriting strings I see.  I smiled when I saw Stefan's name sign 

appear in well formed FSW.


For an even deeper analysis of the FSW, I use the sw10js API page. API 

stands for application programming interface.  On the API page, you can 

analyze symbol keys, FSW strings, and query strings.




SignWriting in an ASCII World


This presentation goes in depth into the ASCII markups and definitions.  

It explains the small subset of Regular Expressions that SignWriting 

leverages for definition and searching.


SignWriting data has been stable in Formal SignWriting since January 12, 

2012 in ASCII.  The ASCII implementation is half the size of an 

equivalent Unicode solution.  It is 4 times faster to process ASCII than 

the equivalent Unicode.




What about Unicode? (Part 1)


Issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8


I haven't seriously considered Unicode since 2011.  We have different 

ideas.  The history of the Unicode 8 proposal and a detailed analysis 

can be found in this presentation.


I was fortunate to be able to attend a Unicode Technical Committee just 

this past week.  It was a group of about a dozen experts in script 

encoding, linguistics, and character encoding.  Everyone introduced 

themselves by their name and then the company, such as MicroSoft, Apple, 

Google, IBM, Adobe, ...


I was proud to introduce myself as Steve Slevinski, Center for Sutton 

Movement Writing.  Val made this trip possible.  Thanks Val.


I was informed that there are at least 2 people working on SignWriting: 

one at MicroSoft and one at Google.  They will be using the tools I've 

provided to implement their solution.  They don't know how to do it, so 

they were interested in my work and grateful for the information I have 



Over 2 days, I was able to present 4 different times.  I used the above 

slideshow twice on the first day.  We argued and discussed and I earned 

their respect.


I was able to explain my issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8.  They now 

agree that the Unicode 8 proposal is insufficient and has serious issues.




What about Unicode? (Part 2)


Thanks to the UTC


After the first day, I rushed back to the hotel and prepared a second 

slideshow.  It's much shorter, but there are several powerful slide that 

silenced and room and one person exclaimed.  "Wow. That's huge." (slide 

6).  This slide was the turning point.


Now there is another Unicode expert who is interested in working on 

SignWriting.  They asked that I provide several examples in my various 

formats: PNG image, Formal SignWriting, PUA Plane 15, and PUA Plane 

16.   They admitted that we do things with SignWriting that they can not 

do with Unicode.  I told them that we are in production; we can write 

every sign language and any facial expression today.


They agreed to seriously consider my proposals.  Because we have such a 

large set of data, they agreed to the idea of 1) being able to convert 

from FSW to a future Unicode design and 2) being able to convert back to 

FSW from the future Unicode design.


Full speed ahead with Formal SignWriting.  3 1/2 years of stability and 

forward compatibility with Unicode 9, 10, 11 or whenever we have a 

workable Unicode solution.


So the Unicode process has been successfully rebooted.  Unicode 8 is 

fine to use for prototyping, and this is what the big corporations 

needed to begin using SignWriting, but Unicode 8 for SignWriting needs 

major revisions and additional work.  They could simply adopt my work, 

but they are uncomfortable with freeform 2-dimensional creation of signs.


We who use SignWriting are playing the long game.  We still have first 

generation writers.  Imagine the written sign language world when we 

have several generations with the tradition of writing!


I plan to write a more detailed blog for Gerard about the future of sign 

language Wikipedia projects and how Unicode fits into the design.


Now I'm going on a weeks vacation.










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