yes --very glad to hear from you ..and yes I enjoyed the symposium ..and there have been quite a few I could not follow ..So I am interested to look at the videos again and to ask for more information.
As you already know I startet with the "Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and thanks to Yair`s kind support I am on my way to get more familiar with that although there is still a long way to go to really understand..smile
My question to you about FSW:
As far as I understand ...Your development of FSW - Data allows people in the future to post messages written in SignWriting on any (??) website on the Internet once the Unicode symbols are ...what? People do not longer have to open these documents in a special SignWriting Program but can look at nicely presented SignWriting notations. Is that correct?
I personally like the freedom to create documents with different workflows ...So to type directly with the "Rand-Keyboard" would be fun. On the other hand I do have a lot of practice and therefore this method is pretty effective, I look for a program that "translates" search-words by SignWriting-Entries...and look whether YOU opened the option to copy the FSW data.
Can you please explain..what are the methods at the moment to get this kind of Data?
As far as I know:
2) SignMaker 2015
3) SignPuddle (Dictionary)
4) SignPuddle Literature Dictionary (love that !!)
AS1eb20S15a37S26a07S20e00M527x522S15a37473x483S1eb20486x503S20e00498x492S26a07506x477 AS18720S18720S2d606S2d61eS20300S20300S2fb00M526x540S18720504x511S18720479x511S2d606504x484S2d61e474x485S2fb00492x478S20300506x460S20300480x460 AS18040S18048S26500S2f900S36100M519x584S18040488x569S18048466x528S26500489x549S2f900491x541S36100482x482 M533x530S15a56506x493S14c52480x474S20e00491x501S26c00484x515S22522467x470
Last question ..do not feel pushed...You think some time the wonderful SignMail option will work again??
Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Stephen E Slevinski Jr
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 16:27
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Betreff: Report from Steve's desk
Hi SignWriting list,
I hope everyone enjoyed the symposium this year. I enjoyed every
presentation I understood, and even the ones I didn't. I look forward
to the English translations.
In the past 3 weeks, I have created 5 presentations. I was only
supposed to create 2 for the symposium, but new topics kept coming up
and I was in the groove.
Please feel free to contact me on the list or privately about any of
The SignWriting Stack 2015
This is a general overview of the technologies related to SignWriting
and the best practices for online use and development.
The Use and Structure of SignMaker 2015
SignMaker is an amazing sign editor and dictionary. SignMaker
highlights many of the advantages to the Formal SignWriting design. The
searching possible and the huge sorted dictionaries make me smile.
I have it on my desktop and use it to view/edit whatever Formal
SignWriting strings I see. I smiled when I saw Stefan's name sign
appear in well formed FSW.
For an even deeper analysis of the FSW, I use the sw10js API page. API
stands for application programming interface. On the API page, you can
analyze symbol keys, FSW strings, and query strings.
SignWriting in an ASCII World
This presentation goes in depth into the ASCII markups and definitions.
It explains the small subset of Regular Expressions that SignWriting
leverages for definition and searching.
SignWriting data has been stable in Formal SignWriting since January 12,
2012 in ASCII. The ASCII implementation is half the size of an
equivalent Unicode solution. It is 4 times faster to process ASCII than
the equivalent Unicode.
What about Unicode? (Part 1)
Issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8
I haven't seriously considered Unicode since 2011. We have different
ideas. The history of the Unicode 8 proposal and a detailed analysis
can be found in this presentation.
I was fortunate to be able to attend a Unicode Technical Committee just
this past week. It was a group of about a dozen experts in script
encoding, linguistics, and character encoding. Everyone introduced
themselves by their name and then the company, such as MicroSoft, Apple,
Google, IBM, Adobe, ...
I was proud to introduce myself as Steve Slevinski, Center for Sutton
Movement Writing. Val made this trip possible. Thanks Val.
I was informed that there are at least 2 people working on SignWriting:
one at MicroSoft and one at Google. They will be using the tools I've
provided to implement their solution. They don't know how to do it, so
they were interested in my work and grateful for the information I have
Over 2 days, I was able to present 4 different times. I used the above
slideshow twice on the first day. We argued and discussed and I earned
I was able to explain my issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8. They now
agree that the Unicode 8 proposal is insufficient and has serious issues.
What about Unicode? (Part 2)
Thanks to the UTC
After the first day, I rushed back to the hotel and prepared a second
slideshow. It's much shorter, but there are several powerful slide that
silenced and room and one person exclaimed. "Wow. That's huge." (slide
6). This slide was the turning point.
Now there is another Unicode expert who is interested in working on
SignWriting. They asked that I provide several examples in my various
formats: PNG image, Formal SignWriting, PUA Plane 15, and PUA Plane
16. They admitted that we do things with SignWriting that they can not
do with Unicode. I told them that we are in production; we can write
every sign language and any facial expression today.
They agreed to seriously consider my proposals. Because we have such a
large set of data, they agreed to the idea of 1) being able to convert
from FSW to a future Unicode design and 2) being able to convert back to
FSW from the future Unicode design.
Full speed ahead with Formal SignWriting. 3 1/2 years of stability and
forward compatibility with Unicode 9, 10, 11 or whenever we have a
workable Unicode solution.
So the Unicode process has been successfully rebooted. Unicode 8 is
fine to use for prototyping, and this is what the big corporations
needed to begin using SignWriting, but Unicode 8 for SignWriting needs
major revisions and additional work. They could simply adopt my work,
but they are uncomfortable with freeform 2-dimensional creation of signs.
We who use SignWriting are playing the long game. We still have first
generation writers. Imagine the written sign language world when we
have several generations with the tradition of writing!
I plan to write a more detailed blog for Gerard about the future of sign
language Wikipedia projects and how Unicode fits into the design.
Now I'm going on a weeks vacation.
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