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Hi Val and Steve, When Stefan posts his message on the SW list, why is this often happening below ? 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As you already know I startet with the "Rand-Keyboard" Prensentation ..and thanks to Yair`s kind support I am on my way to get more familiar with that although there is still a long way to go to really understand..smile My question to you about FSW: M558x548S30a00482x482S14c21473x522S14c20535x482S28909509x511S33e00482x482 M642x590S31400533x489S37a06428x460S37906506x561S37906472x460S37906537x561S37 900427x460S37900427x483S37a00511x460S37900511x483S37906472x522S37906428x522S 37906566x483S37906593x483S2f800532x486S37e50568x496S37e5c568x499S37e54519x49 9S37e58520x496S36d00528x534S37802568x534S37809583x535S14c20580x507S37d00560x 514S37d01557x510S37d01554x509S37d00552x510S37d00555x517S37d09548x509S37d0954 8x518S37d00552x519S37d0a544x510S37d0c542x517S37d07538x517S37d0a541x510S37d09 538x515S37d09540x509S37d01541x518S37d01557x518S37d01560x511S36a10540x520S36a 10460x523S33b10433x471S34c10452x465S34810463x467S35d10431x481S34a10445x483S3 4810457x483S33b10482x486S36110432x509S35d10450x508S34810464x509S36520492x510 S2f804450x536S2fb06483x525S2fb02449x526S1002f495x468S37701512x495S37702517x5 15S21e10508x565S21e10533x565S21e10557x566S37b01577x562S37b09501x561S37b09498 x572S21e10504x572S21e10528x572S21e10552x572S21e10507x580S21e10531x580S21e105 55x580S37906499x588S37906537x588S37b01580x574S37b06569x588S15c12567x462S3771 0577x457S37b06583x480S37b06584x450S37800583x450S37800597x450S21700587x472S37 e00601x462S37e14600x470S37c00607x469S37712610x459S2fb00581x570S2fb05596x564S 2fb01608x557S37716617x531S37716617x581S37710623x459S37a10637x535S37a10617x53 3S37d06623x577S37d00624x540S37d00628x540S22700620x567S21700631x541S21c00623x 551S21c00623x559S37710628x459S21c00626x472S31440540x500S31440553x500S3144054 7x507S31440552x511S31440541x509S31440542x521S31440547x516S2fb06568x497S2fb02 528x497S37d00503x579S37d00578x578S34810430x497S36110459x497 S38700463x496 M523x558S20500513x543S18011487x528S31400482x482S33f10490x502S18019489x538 S38700463x496 M535x567S34800482x488S31400482x488S10043505x533S20500495x556S30120482x477 M588x519S36500437x482S34c00466x482S34800497x482S36100527x483S30007527x483S10 011560x489S22a07568x476S2f900577x467 M543x532S36e00477x520S37803513x477S15a12487x472S15d1a484x453S37803453x496S37 70b521x503S3780b454x466S31400482x482S33e10493x503 S38700463x496 M542x538S33e00482x482S15d20520x511S26600526x475S2f900527x463S31400482x482 M572x603S14c40466x525S14c48443x539S2fb04468x595S2e74c451x578S30a00446x482S34 000446x482S2e700475x564S34c00519x482S11511545x501S20e00554x536S22f04547x555 M561x557S14c01518x530S14c09456x530S26506546x538S26512436x534S36e00477x519S30 a00483x482S34010493x505 M527x577S33100482x483S20311503x498S23003501x520S37906476x575 S38800464x496 M555x537S33e00482x483S10001509x507S10009468x507S21100522x498S21100465x498S28 807535x501S2881f445x498S30a00482x483 As far as I understand ...Your development of FSW - Data allows people in the future to post messages written in SignWriting on any (??) website on the Internet once the Unicode symbols are ...what? People do not longer have to open these documents in a special SignWriting Program but can look at nicely presented SignWriting notations. Is that correct? I personally like the freedom to create documents with different workflows ...So to type directly with the "Rand-Keyboard" would be fun. On the other hand I do have a lot of practice and therefore this method is pretty effective, I look for a program that "translates" search-words by SignWriting-Entries...and look whether YOU opened the option to copy the FSW data. Can you please explain..what are the methods at the moment to get this kind of Data? As far as I know: 1) "Rand-Keyboard" 2) SignMaker 2015 3) SignPuddle (Dictionary) M602x606S2d320454x528S35000398x484S20300437x548S20300433x565S37806403x573S37 806452x556S34700428x484S36100458x484S35d04505x482S34c00535x482S33b00566x482S 10011558x576S10019534x576S10031558x533S10039531x533S2d606578x559S2d61e515x56 1 4) SignPuddle Literature Dictionary (love that !!) AS1eb20S15a37S26a07S20e00M527x522S15a37473x483S1eb20486x503S20e00498x492S26a 07506x477 AS18720S18720S2d606S2d61eS20300S20300S2fb00M526x540S18720504x511S18720479x51 1S2d606504x484S2d61e474x485S2fb00492x478S20300506x460S20300480x460 AS18040S18048S26500S2f900S36100M519x584S18040488x569S18048466x528S26500489x5 49S2f900491x541S36100482x482 M533x530S15a56506x493S14c52480x474S20e00491x501S26c00484x515S22522467x470 Last question ..do not feel pushed...You think some time the wonderful SignMail option will work again?? All best Stefan -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Im Auftrag von Stephen E Slevinski Jr Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 16:27 An: [log in to unmask] Betreff: Report from Steve's desk Hi SignWriting list, I hope everyone enjoyed the symposium this year. I enjoyed every presentation I understood, and even the ones I didn't. I look forward to the English translations. In the past 3 weeks, I have created 5 presentations. I was only supposed to create 2 for the symposium, but new topics kept coming up and I was in the groove. Please feel free to contact me on the list or privately about any of these presentations. ------------------------ The SignWriting Stack 2015 http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0043.html This is a general overview of the technologies related to SignWriting and the best practices for online use and development. ----------------------------------- The Use and Structure of SignMaker 2015 http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html SignMaker is an amazing sign editor and dictionary. SignMaker highlights many of the advantages to the Formal SignWriting design. The searching possible and the huge sorted dictionaries make me smile. I have it on my desktop and use it to view/edit whatever Formal SignWriting strings I see. I smiled when I saw Stefan's name sign appear in well formed FSW. For an even deeper analysis of the FSW, I use the sw10js API page. API stands for application programming interface. On the API page, you can analyze symbol keys, FSW strings, and query strings. http://slevinski.github.io/sw10js/api.html ------------------------------------ SignWriting in an ASCII World http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0049.html This presentation goes in depth into the ASCII markups and definitions. It explains the small subset of Regular Expressions that SignWriting leverages for definition and searching. SignWriting data has been stable in Formal SignWriting since January 12, 2012 in ASCII. The ASCII implementation is half the size of an equivalent Unicode solution. It is 4 times faster to process ASCII than the equivalent Unicode. ----------------------------------- What about Unicode? (Part 1) Issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8 http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/sign-writing-in-unicode-8-issues I haven't seriously considered Unicode since 2011. We have different ideas. The history of the Unicode 8 proposal and a detailed analysis can be found in this presentation. I was fortunate to be able to attend a Unicode Technical Committee just this past week. It was a group of about a dozen experts in script encoding, linguistics, and character encoding. Everyone introduced themselves by their name and then the company, such as MicroSoft, Apple, Google, IBM, Adobe, ... I was proud to introduce myself as Steve Slevinski, Center for Sutton Movement Writing. Val made this trip possible. Thanks Val. I was informed that there are at least 2 people working on SignWriting: one at MicroSoft and one at Google. They will be using the tools I've provided to implement their solution. They don't know how to do it, so they were interested in my work and grateful for the information I have provided. Over 2 days, I was able to present 4 different times. I used the above slideshow twice on the first day. We argued and discussed and I earned their respect. I was able to explain my issues with SignWriting in Unicode 8. They now agree that the Unicode 8 proposal is insufficient and has serious issues. ----------------------------------- What about Unicode? (Part 2) Thanks to the UTC http://www.slideshare.net/StephenSlevinski/thanks-to-the-utc After the first day, I rushed back to the hotel and prepared a second slideshow. It's much shorter, but there are several powerful slide that silenced and room and one person exclaimed. "Wow. That's huge." (slide 6). This slide was the turning point. Now there is another Unicode expert who is interested in working on SignWriting. They asked that I provide several examples in my various formats: PNG image, Formal SignWriting, PUA Plane 15, and PUA Plane 16. They admitted that we do things with SignWriting that they can not do with Unicode. I told them that we are in production; we can write every sign language and any facial expression today. They agreed to seriously consider my proposals. Because we have such a large set of data, they agreed to the idea of 1) being able to convert from FSW to a future Unicode design and 2) being able to convert back to FSW from the future Unicode design. Full speed ahead with Formal SignWriting. 3 1/2 years of stability and forward compatibility with Unicode 9, 10, 11 or whenever we have a workable Unicode solution. So the Unicode process has been successfully rebooted. Unicode 8 is fine to use for prototyping, and this is what the big corporations needed to begin using SignWriting, but Unicode 8 for SignWriting needs major revisions and additional work. They could simply adopt my work, but they are uncomfortable with freeform 2-dimensional creation of signs. We who use SignWriting are playing the long game. We still have first generation writers. Imagine the written sign language world when we have several generations with the tradition of writing! I plan to write a more detailed blog for Gerard about the future of sign language Wikipedia projects and how Unicode fits into the design. Now I'm going on a weeks vacation. 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